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Open Discussion 2 (2019)

Discuss whatever.

If you post a link or quote, express an opinion about it, ask a question, say something. Also, if you think something is bad and are posting it for criticism, say so – the default expectation is you agree with, and have a positive opinion of, whatever you post. Or if it seems good to you but you're sharing it because you have doubts and want to find out if people have criticism, say that.

Elliot Temple on November 6, 2019

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> China to implement new regulation regarding gaming, will "ban users younger than 18 from playing games between 10 p.m. and 8 a.m. They are not permitted to play more than 90 minutes on weekdays and three hours on weekends and holidays" (nytimes.com)

Strict, national screen time limits. *Not a free country.* Sucks for the kids.

Free Hong Kong!

Anonymous at 7:43 PM on November 6, 2019 | #14219 | reply | quote


> "Three days after his GSL semifinals, Life competed in the Iron Squid – Chapter II Korean qualifier, where he made his way to the finals at the expense of Sting, Polt and HyuN, but had to all-ined his games in the last match against Brown because he was about to be forced shutdown (in Korea, the law for the compulsory shutdown forbids the children under 16 years of age to play online from midnight to six in the morning).[28] The runner-up place still awarded a spot in the Iron Squid Chapter II though, making him the only player to attend both seasons of the French league by mean of qualifiers.

"All-ined" means playing very aggressive strategies to get the game over with fast – do a quick attack that sacrifices any chance to win later if it doesn't work. This is risky at best, and pretty much game-losing if your opponent knows in advance that you're going to do it.

Anonymous at 7:47 PM on November 6, 2019 | #14220 | reply | quote

NASA to send robot into space to re-fuel satellite

In December 2022 or later, NASA plans to send a robot into space to re-fuel a 20-year old satellite that was not designed for re-fueling.

Landsat 7, the satellite in question, was launched in 1999. It takes color pictures of Earth, many of which can be seen in Google Earth and other products.

Here's the plan. First, the robot will approach the satellite and, autonomously, grab onto it. Then, guided remotely by human operators, the robot will drill a hole in the satellite's fuel tank and inject over 100 kg of hydrazine. Finally, the robot will seal the hole, cover the satellite with a space blanket, and fly off into its own orbit.

Alisa at 4:32 PM on November 7, 2019 | #14224 | reply | quote

#14224 How much harder is it to do that compared with refueling a satellite that has a built in refueling mechanism?

Anonymous at 4:37 PM on November 7, 2019 | #14225 | reply | quote


It looks like drilling and re-sealing are the main steps that are harder (but I don't know *how much harder*) when a satellite hasn't been designed for re-fueling. According to Brent Robertson, NASA’s project manager for the mission (from the same article):

> "Cutting things and unscrewing caps and refueling, that's difficult. But the actual capture of a satellite and relocation—we have the capability to do that for a much wider spectrum of satellites."

The harder steps would be easier if the satellite had robot-friendly valves for re-fueling, but apparently no satellite has ever had those:

> "It's almost like a chicken or the egg thing," says Robertson. "Nobody has done robotic servicing, so until it's demonstrated, operators are reluctant to invest in servicing until they see that it's possible. I think when we actually demonstrate this on Landsat 7, you'll see [the] industry becoming more aware that there's an opportunity here."

Alisa at 5:06 PM on November 7, 2019 | #14226 | reply | quote

Math Problem

Flip a fair coin until you get heads twice (doesn't have to be in a row). What is the average number of tails you flipped?

Anonymous at 6:20 PM on November 8, 2019 | #14250 | reply | quote

#14250 I think it's 2 because if you flip until 1 heads, the average number of tails is 1. And I think flipping until 2 heads is like doing the 1 heads thing twice in a row, so sum the number of tails from each. Doing it twice will change the distribution of results but not the mean.

Anonymous at 6:24 PM on November 8, 2019 | #14251 | reply | quote

Telling the Story of Jordan Peterson


Filmmaker Patricia Marcoccia was midway through a film with psychology professor Jordan Peterson when he suddenly became an international superstar, and one of the most controversial and polarising figures on the planet.

Now her film, The Rise of Jordan Peterson, has itself been subject to controversy and cancellations.

David Fuller caught up with Patricia and the film's producer Maziar Ghaderi to ask what they make of the reception for their film, and how their views changed over two years making the film, right at the centre of the culture wars.

You can purchase the film online: https://www.holdingspacefilms.com/rise

Anonymous at 8:12 PM on November 8, 2019 | #14252 | reply | quote

1st newsletter: Sept 18, 2016.

100th newsletter: Nov 13, 2019.

That's 1151 days. One newsletter per 11.5 days.

I think the minimum time between newsletters has been 7 days. The max is probably around 21, maybe a few more. I've been consistent with no big gaps. I aim for around 10-17 days between newsletters. Early on I did them a bit more frequently.

curi at 11:34 AM on November 13, 2019 | #14303 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 2:58 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14306 | reply | quote

#14305 Please say what links are. In this case, it's Taleb being a unintellectual jerk to someone on Twitter. The underlying issue is that Taleb is a rotten bastard who opposes GMOs like golden rice. The paper linked in #14306 is epistemologically naive conservatism contrary to CR and David Deutsch in particular (it's also an anti-liberal attack on freedom which assumes it's the government's job to make decide things and control people's lives).

Anonymous at 3:10 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14308 | reply | quote

#14308 I call bull shit that you actually read the paper that fast.

What's your refutation?

Anon22 at 3:15 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14309 | reply | quote

#14309 Never said I read it. I read some of the beginning before commenting. The paper is refuted by the book *The Beginning of Infinity* which Taleb is aware of but doesn't address. His paper simply ignores existing literature about the issues. You can see the same issue on Twitter where he was referred to DD's arguments and his response was to flame someone and also to direct them to a paper that ignores DD.

Anonymous at 3:18 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14310 | reply | quote

#14310 If you did not read it how do you know BOI refutes it?

You're doing exactly what he's doing lol.

Anonymous at 4:46 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14311 | reply | quote

#14311 BoI covers the precautionary principle. Taleb ignores BoI and advocates the precautionary principle. What do you not get.?Are you just unfamiliar with the stuff you're flaming about?

Anonymous at 5:16 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14312 | reply | quote

Different precautionary principle than the one argued against in BOI.

Which you would know if you had read the paper, you illiterate buffoon. Bet you lied about reading BOI too.

actually literate at 5:20 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14313 | reply | quote


Example of how YouTube fucks with and bans users with no warning or explanation

Anonymous at 5:23 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14314 | reply | quote

#14314 sucks. But that's the power of unfettered Capitalism. Your livelihood can be taken away in the name of profits. There is no getting around it.

JLA at 5:29 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14315 | reply | quote

#14315 What capitalism? YouTube false advertises about their policies. In a free market country they'd be sued heavily over stuff like this. It's government protection and favors that let them get away with their initiations of force.

curi at 5:32 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14316 | reply | quote

#14316 Let's be real.

The algorithm is not a result of government intervention. It is simple dollar signs.

It is not meant to pander to the woke crowd, or to the government. Don't be naive.

It is meant to do one thing, and one thing only. M-A-X-I-M-I-Z-E P-R-O-F-I-T.

They don't give a fuck about you or me.

JaRule at 5:41 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14318 | reply | quote

#14318 Free market capitalism is a system in which initiation of force is prohibited. YouTube initiates force (e.g. via fradulent public statements about their products). They violate capitalism. They get away with it due to *lack of* capitalism in our society.

You didn't listen, didn't engage, and seem unserious. If I'm wrong, see https://elliottemple.com/debate-policy

curi at 5:43 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14319 | reply | quote

You libertarians and your utopian dreams.

And you call me unserious. Get a PhD in economics and then we'll debate.

YouTube Loves Capitalism at 5:48 PM on November 13, 2019 | #14320 | reply | quote

Re: Math Problem


> Math Problem

> Flip a fair coin until you get heads twice (doesn't have to be in a row). What is the average number of tails you flipped?


> #14250 I think it's 2 because if you flip until 1 heads, the average number of tails is 1...

It was not obvious to me that if you flip until 1 heads, the average number of tails is 1. I practiced my internet search skills and found these two discussions of the problem:



I didn't fully understand the math but I didn't see anything obviously wrong with it.

Now I'm practicing my skills at replying to blog comments without messing up the formatting of links and quotations.

Anne B at 12:44 PM on November 14, 2019 | #14342 | reply | quote


> It was not obvious to me that if you flip until 1 heads, the average number of tails is 1.

My explanation of this is below. It is similar to Ryan's answer on the stackexchange page you linked.

Suppose you have a (possibly-biased) coin that comes up heads with probability h. If you flip the coin until it comes up heads, the expected number of flips is 1/h.

To see this, let f be the expected number of flips remaining. You must flip at least once in order to know whether to stop. With probability h, that flip comes up heads, in which case you are done: you make zero more flips. Otherwise, with probability 1-h, it comes up tails, and you will have to flip again. Coins have no memory, so the expected number of remaining flips in that case is the same as it was before you flipped the coin, namely: f. Therefore, by expected value, f = 1 + 0h +(1−h)f. Using algebra to solve for f yields f = 1/h.

By definition, a fair coin comes up heads with probability 1/2. If you flip until you get heads, then stop, you will make 2 flips on average. You stop when you get heads, so all but the last of those flips will have been tails. Therefore, the average number of tails is 1.

Josh Jordan at 4:08 PM on November 14, 2019 | #14347 | reply | quote


Really long article with some criticism of feminism. Some interesting parts. I didn't finish it.

curi at 11:57 AM on November 17, 2019 | #14353 | reply | quote

Mises Institute promotion psychiatry, one of the major enemies of liberty:


I checked the blog of the show guest and he's anti-Szasz.

Anonymous at 5:08 PM on November 17, 2019 | #14354 | reply | quote


School children being locked in rooms, like solitary confinement at jails, often illegally.

There are 20,000 records of "seclusion" in Illinois in one school year.

Anonymous at 1:31 PM on November 19, 2019 | #14387 | reply | quote

People like the academic format and style b/c it dramatically reduces the need or scope for thinking.

example from someone i like more than most


> Sunk costs seem especially common in groups, as has been noticed since the beginning of sunk cost research7; Khan et al 2000 found that culture influenced how much managers were willing to engage in hypothetical sunk costs (South & East Asian more so than North American), and a 2005 meta-analysis that sunk cost was an issue, especially in software-related projects8, agreeing with a 2009 meta-analysis, Desai & Chulkov.

cites let you make assertions with no arguments or reasons.

assuming the correctness of some cites is easier than thinking about the issues or giving reasons or arguments. and people don't retract their papers because one of their cites was wrong. they don't actually take responsibility for the crap they cite.

Anonymous at 8:56 PM on November 20, 2019 | #14458 | reply | quote

PIA's no-log claims verified in court

privateinternetaccess.com claims:

> [W]e do not log. Ever.

That claim has been verified in court, twice.

In 2016, the FBI submitted a criminal complaint in the Southern District of Florida against Preston Alexander McWaters for making fake bomb threats. The complaint states (re-typed from PDF w/out OCR):

> All of the responses from 1&1, Facebook, Twitter, and Tracfone have been traced by IP address back to a company named London Trust Media dba privateinternetaccess.com. This company is an anonymizing company whose purpose is to allow users of the internet to mask their original IP address where they are sending messages from. A subpoena was sent to London Trust Media and the only information they could provide is that the cluster of IP addresses being used was from the east coast of the United States.

In 2018, privateinternetaccess.com was subpoenaed again, this time in connection with a case dealing with a person accused of hacking a news website. According to Palo Alto Online:

> John Allan Arsenault, general counsel for London Trust Media, a VPN company, testified about how many VPN companies, including his, intentionally *don’t retain logs of internet activity of their clients so that they cannot be produced in response to subpoenas from law enforcement or others*. London Trust Media operates the brand Private Internet Access (PIA), which owns several IP addresses used to hack Embarcadero Media.

> *Private Internet Access does not log user activity, such as what files they accessed or changes they made to a website*.

> The company accepts many kinds of payment methods, including cryptocurrency, but it doesn’t keep records of the individual’s name and address. *The only record of the customer maintained is the email address provided when signing up for the service*.

Seems legit.

Alisa at 12:52 PM on November 21, 2019 | #14487 | reply | quote

#14487 The emphasis was mine in the quotes from Palo Alto Online.

Alisa at 12:53 PM on November 21, 2019 | #14488 | reply | quote

PIA purchased by Kape Technologies, Reddit unhappy

#14487 PIA has been purchased by a company called Kape Technologies. I don't know the details, but a bunch of Redditors in r/privateinternetaccess are upset about the purchase and are switching to other VPNs. Mullvad seems to be a popular choice.

Alisa at 8:47 PM on November 25, 2019 | #14588 | reply | quote

A close reading of a study's introduction

I commented on an HN link to a study titled "Teacher Effects on Student Achievement and Height: A Cautionary Tale":

> 1 Introduction

> The increased availability of data linking students to teachers has made it possible to estimate the contribution teachers make to student achievement.

There was some data available before (or the sentence would not have used the word "increased"). Why wasn't it possible to estimate with that?

> By nearly all accounts, this contribution is large.

It goes on to talk about what "large" means:

> Estimates of the impact of a one standard deviation (σ) increase in teacher “value-added” on math and reading achievement typically range from 0.10 to 0.30σ, which suggest that a student assigned to a more effective teacher will experience nearly a year's more learning than a student assigned to an less effective teacher (Hanushek & Rivkin 2010;...).

(Typo: "an less effective" should be "a less effective".)

A "range from 0.10 to 0.30σ" doesn't make sense. A Greek lowercase sigma (σ) is used to represent one standard deviation, but the sigma is used only on the upper end of the range. Should it have been from 0.10σ to 0.30σ?

And how are they measuring the impact on achievement of an increase in teacher "value-added", anyway? It says that estimates of the impact "typically range from 0.10 to 0.30σ", but it doesn't say what units those figures are in.

The sentence goes on to say that those unit-less estimates "suggest" that "a student assigned to a more effective teacher will experience nearly a year's more learning than a student assigned to an less effective teacher". Over what time period? That is, how long does a student have to study under a "more effective teacher" to get "a year's more learning"? 1 week? 12 years? It doesn't say.

And finally, how do those unit-less estimates "suggest" an impact measured in learning time? It doesn't say.

Alisa at 7:35 AM on November 27, 2019 | #14603 | reply | quote


>> By nearly all accounts, this contribution is large.

If teachers have a large affect on student outcomes, it doesn't imply they *contribute* anything. The range of the effect could be from mildly negative to very negative.

curi at 12:52 PM on November 27, 2019 | #14605 | reply | quote

Casually comparing schools to prisons:

Anonymous at 9:55 PM on November 27, 2019 | #14612 | reply | quote


> **I really wish I’d never found the IDW**

> I’ve always considered myself liberal but I feel so disowned now. I feel like the mainstream left and right are both so ideologically driven that they refuse to acknowledge truth in anything that hurts their position, whether it’s true or not.


> I feel like I get incredibly anxious and depressed by the state of the world and hypocritical views of almost everybody. I wish I could just bury my head in the sand and enjoy blissful ignorance. Please tell me you guys are all feeling the same.

That's an unusually open admission of wanting to evade, not think, not know ... not live (ok he didn't admit that last one). The second-handed last sentence is strong (in a bad way) ending that I wasn't expecting.

I replied (expecting nothing good to come of this from him or others on reddit):

You're upset because you think other people are irrational and don't seek the truth. How rational and curious are you? Will you debate anything?



curi at 12:45 AM on November 28, 2019 | #14616 | reply | quote

Amazon deletes jrockway's useful review

On 2019-11-28, HN user jrockway wrote:

> I bought some LEDs on Amazon and uploaded charts showing the wavelength distribution. The LEDs were awful and the charts made it very clear why. Amazon deleted my review and the item currently has 5 stars.

Sucks that Amazon deleted his review.

Alisa at 6:14 PM on November 28, 2019 | #14619 | reply | quote

People often think they are good enough and turn off the learning. Common story with KP, DD, AR, FI. This is already addressed in mainstream self help lit, e.g.:


curi at 1:26 AM on December 2, 2019 | #14647 | reply | quote

Convicted terrorist, released from prison early, stabs 2 people to death at London Bridge

In 2018, an Islamic terrorist in Britain was released from prison early. On 29 Nov 2019, he stabbed 2 people to death and wounded 3 others in a terrorist attack at London Bridge. According to the AP:

> Usman Khan was convicted on terrorism charges but let out of prison early. He attended a “Learning Together” conference for ex-offenders, and used the event to launch a bloody attack, stabbing two people to death and wounding three others.

Alisa at 3:50 PM on December 2, 2019 | #14658 | reply | quote


Twitch streamer with 25 viewer average – but no one talking in chat even though he tried to talk with chat periodically – makes fake account, writes 200 questions, has his alt account automatically ask one random question every few minutes. Then he answers those questions he covertly asked himself.

Result: other people start talking in chat.

Thoughts on what people are like?

Anonymous at 12:37 AM on December 3, 2019 | #14663 | reply | quote

Formatting test:

*italic sentence **bold (and italic) in the middle** more italics*

Anonymous at 2:51 PM on December 3, 2019 | #14674 | reply | quote

I closed 3 websites:




The content is all moved to:


I mass updated comments and blog post URLs to point to the new locations. Please let me know if you notice a broken link.

curi at 5:28 PM on December 4, 2019 | #14692 | reply | quote

London Bridge terrorist only served *half* of his sentence for terrorism

#14658 Daniel Horowitz points out that the London Bridge terrorist only served half of his sentence for terrorism.

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/terrorist-behind-london-bridge-attack-released-early-prison/ (4 Dec 2019):

> Khan had been convicted on terrorism charges as part of a plot to attack the London Stock Exchange in 2010. However, much as in America, the trend of de-incarceration is very much in vogue in Great Britain, so even a violent terrorist like Khan was only sentenced to 16 years. And much as in America, where early release programs are placed ahead of public safety, Khan was released last year after serving just eight years.


> Last Friday, Khan, as a prison release “success story,” was invited to a conference of Learning Together, a Cambridge University Initiative dedicated to promoting these rehabilitation programs over incarceration. Tragically, Khan had other ideas. He showed up armed with two knives and a fake suicide vest and killed two members of Learning Together and wounded three others before he was shot dead by police near London Bridge.

If Ayn Rand wrote that in one of her fiction books, people would call it unrealistic.

Alisa at 12:37 AM on December 5, 2019 | #14694 | reply | quote

#14694 Our civilization is inadequate in many ways. I like some of Yudkowsky's comments on that, in Hero Licensing, linked in https://curi.us/2253-academias-inadequacy

And find comments on Hero Licensing at http://curi.us/2065-open-letter-to-machine-intelligence-research-institute#9282

curi at 12:44 AM on December 5, 2019 | #14695 | reply | quote

In defense of Peer review vs Blogs


This video, I think, Applies to this blog.

Anonymous at 7:53 AM on December 5, 2019 | #14699 | reply | quote

Debunking the Vegan Documentary "Game Changers" - https://youtu.be/Dq4Apc2Xk7Q

Comments on first half hour. I expect to have a similar opinion of the rest, if I watch it.

this Chris Kresser guy is ok. he's sharing some decent info like about DIAS. he's pretty mainstream, i don't agree with all his claims, but most seem fine.

i didn't like his vegan honeymoon comments: that ppl feel great in short term on vegan diet cuz they stop eating normal diet of a bunch of crap.

i don't think that's scientific. i suspect there's a huge placebo effect b/c ppl think regular food is crap that makes u low energy and unhealthy, but he didn't actually argue those claims or give any evidence.

curi at 3:08 PM on December 5, 2019 | #14709 | reply | quote


> Every society rests on a barbarian base. The people who don’t understand civilization, and wouldn’t like it if they did. The hitchhikers. The people who create nothing and don’t appreciate what others have created for them, and who think civilization is something that just exists and all they need do is enjoy what they can understand of it—luxuries, a high living standard, and easy work for high pay. Responsibilities? Phooey! What do they have a government for?

— H. Beam Piper, Space Viking pp. 190-191 (1963)

Anonymous at 5:04 PM on December 5, 2019 | #14714 | reply | quote

RIP Noble Soul?


Site down. Don't know when it went down. Has lots of good Objectivism info. If it doesn't come back up, I'll put up a mirror (hopefully if it's not too hard, but I've got a saved copy now that looks likely to work OK).

Last copy on archive.org is from May. Front page of site says last updated 2009.

I don't know when it went down or whether it will come back up. I don't want to mirror someone else's site over temporary downtime.

curi at 5:11 PM on December 5, 2019 | #14715 | reply | quote

#14709 Chris Kresser is a snake oil salesman. E.g. see this page:


> Conventional medicine doesn’t stand a chance of turning the tide against chronic disease.

> What does? A revolution to reinvent healthcare, reverse chronic disease, and create sustainable practices.

He might be a flu vaccine opponent and accupuncture advocate too:


I don't know what info on that page is true. It's not a reliable site and it accuses him of believing everyone should do high fat paleo. But in the podcast he advocates a moderate diet, says what's optimal varies by person, and said low carb is riskier than more standard (might be OK but that's more unknown) because its longterm effects haven't been studied yet.

Anyway Kresser's own site is awful and Rogan is irresponsible for having him on and treating him like a respectable expert.

curi at 7:16 PM on December 5, 2019 | #14716 | reply | quote

#14716 Kresser is openly anti technology and anti industry later and Rogan doesn’t disagree. (There were bits and pieces of it throughout but he later made a clear, strong statement about wanting to scale back industry and technology.)

Kresser somehow seems to think of himself as pro science, despite being anti technology. He likes talking about correlation studies about people's diets and the science of nutrition. He positions himself as the sophisticated guy who knows about many flaws in those studies but also ofc science is great so he's clever enough to analyze the flawed studies and reach good conclusion.

curi at 8:43 PM on December 5, 2019 | #14717 | reply | quote


> What I’ve done differently is put my ideas in public and then address every single criticism from every critic who is willing to discuss. I’ve answered all comers for over 15 years. If any of my ideas are mistaken, either no one knows it, neither of us has managed to find the other, or they aren’t willing to share their knowledge.


> My philosophical positions have survived criticism from everyone willing to offer criticism. That’s pretty good! None of the alternative ideas can say that.

What if people have criticisms of your ideas that you’d want to hear, but those people are put off by the atmosphere of the FI world or by how you write elsewhere? What if someone has a valuable idea but they also have bad ideas that cause them to leave FI in a huff or to ban you from their forum when you offer criticism in a non-socially-conforming way?

Yes, that counts as them not being willing to discuss or willing to share their knowledge. But you'd want to hear the good ideas from these people, if they exist. Do you think they don't exist? Do you think they might exist but it's not worth the effort to make it easier to hear from them?

anonymous fan at 7:37 AM on December 6, 2019 | #14723 | reply | quote

David Deutsch on Brexit and Error Correction

Just started watching this, so I do not have any specific question. Just wanted to share a new DD interview.


> Contents:

> 0:00 Introduction and a brief history of the European question

> 3:30 Karl Popper, Error Correction, and the First Past The Post electoral system

> 9:48 What makes the EU bad at error correction?

> 14:12 Political stability in Britain and how the referendum broke our system

> 19:17 Individualism vs Collectivism and the benefits of socialism to Britain

> 22:18 Has the EU prevented war in Europe?

> 25:08 Is the economy more important than sovereignty?

> 27:11 Don't we need top-down control for some things?

> 31:24 Should we have a second referendum? Is taking a political risk worth it?

> 36:25 Was the Leave vote racist? And what does it mean to be a patriot in Britain?

N at 8:04 AM on December 6, 2019 | #14724 | reply | quote

#14723 This is one of the most common criticisms I get, though an unusually friendly and reasonable version of it.

People differ. There is no way to please everyone at once.

I could please a larger proportion but that means targeting stuff more to the mainstream which means having a more conventional audience. I think that'd result in lower quality responses.

I don't want to pander, social climb, be dishonest to manipulate people, etc.

I try to make what I think is good. I think that's the best way to attract readers who I can respect.

If people would *request* to be treated certain ways, I could work with that. But it's hard when people are dishonest, which is super common. They e.g. want less criticism while simultaneously pretending they are receiving max criticism. Usually you have to guess how they want to be treated. If *I* could say "you seem to want simple beginner replies with little criticism", and then provide that, it'd be OK for me, but they usually don't want that even if I've guessed completely right about the best type of reply for them.

I think dishonesty is what's really hard to accommodate. Also passive disinterest, lack of curiosity, that kinda thing where they just don't care or do anything.

curi at 1:09 PM on December 6, 2019 | #14727 | reply | quote

#14724 At about 28:50 DD is asked a question and in the course of answering it at 30:20 he sez Britain retained the good things and rejected the bad things about its experiment with socialism. He's endorsing socialist policies.

oh my god it's turpentine at 4:34 PM on December 6, 2019 | #14730 | reply | quote

#14730 That's good! If something works it doesn't matter where it came from. DD is a fallibilist

Anonymous at 6:07 PM on December 6, 2019 | #14732 | reply | quote

#14732 Socialism is rather thoroughly wrong – a claim DD seemed to agree with, and didn't deny, in the past – so this is a sign of error by DD. And it's not like he's come out with some new argument in defense of part of socialism or found some important existing arguments. So the reasonable presumption here is he's mistaken and acting unreasonably by ignoring e.g. Mises.

Anonymous at 6:19 PM on December 6, 2019 | #14735 | reply | quote

#14732 What is the standard by which you judge that socialist policies work?

oh my god it's turpentine at 1:12 AM on December 7, 2019 | #14740 | reply | quote

Me, repeatedly: "subjective" is the most confused word in English.

Just saw this, italics added:


> c. 1500, "characteristic of one who is submissive or obedient," from Late Latin subiectivus "of the subject, subjective," from subiectus "lying under, below, near bordering on," figuratively "subjected, subdued"(see subject (n.)). In early Modern English as "existing, real;" more restricted meaning "existing in the mind" (the mind as "the thinking subject") is from 1707, *popularized by Kant* and his contemporaries; thus, in art and literature, "personal, idiosyncratic" (1767). Related: Subjectively; subjectiveness.

Notice how it doesn't fit the etymology (submissive, obedient) and then it means "existing, real" and then Kant flips the meaning to "existing in the mind" (meaning: not part of physical/objective reality – which is wrong too, the mind is part of physical reality).

curi at 12:27 AM on December 8, 2019 | #14750 | reply | quote

Muhammad makes list of top 10 baby names in the U.S. for first time

SF Gate, Muhammad makes list of top 10 baby names in the U.S. for first time (Dec 4, 2019):

> The parenting website BabyCenter released its annual list of 100 most popular baby names for girls and boys in the United States... Muhammad and Aaliyah made the top 10 for the first time, replacing Mason and Layla.

According to [BBC News]((https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-45638806), if you combine its various spellings, Mohammed would be the most popular boy's name in the U.K.

According to Wikipedia, 6.3% of the U.K.'s total population is Muslim, compared with 1.1% for the U.S.

Alisa at 7:29 PM on December 12, 2019 | #14817 | reply | quote

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