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Deplatforming and Fraud

Google, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Patreon, PayPal and other companies have repeatedly advertised that they are politically-neutral open platforms. All are welcome. They’re for everybody. This fraud violates existing free-market-compatible laws, as I'll discuss below.

Then they ban, moderate, demonetize and censor people, and bias search algorithms, for a variety of biased reasons, including especially to persecute right wing political ideas. I’ll call this general issue “deplatforming”. It’s about not letting certain non-favored persons/ideas use the platforms in the standard, (allegedly) publicly-available way.

For those unfamiliar with or doubtful of the relevant facts, I’ve included an information section below.

The public debate over this issue has two main sides.

First, most of the left is cheering as their enemies are attacked.

Second, most of the right, along with some people on the left with greater integrity, say that free speech is important, tech companies are an important part of modern life, and we need government regulations to make things fair.

A third, smaller group are free market advocates say private companies should be able to do whatever they want, even if it’s politically biased, and the government should leave them alone. They often say this despite having right wing ideas themselves. They say it despite being part of the oppressed group.

What’s missing is a pro-free-market, anti-deplatforming group. That’s my position. It’s important that the free market is compatible with solving the deplatforming problem. This isn’t a failure of capitalism. Anyone who cares about freedom and classical liberalism should be interested in how it can address a problem like this; don't assume minimal government and capitalism are inadequate.

As a free market advocate, many people expect me to say that private companies can do whatever they want and the government should stay out of it. I think deplatforming is a horrible problem, but don’t my principles require me to accept it?

I find most free market people insufficiently regretful regarding their support of deplatforming. They don’t say how horrible it is, and they wish there was anything to be done about it, but their hands are tied. They don’t seem to mind much. I think many have some partial leftist sympathies.

There’s a better way to view the issue. There’s something bad going on. I dislike it. And most of the proposed solutions are statist. So then what? Give up? No! The first thing to do is consider free-market-compatible solutions. Classical liberalism is a sophisticated, nuanced political philosophy which should be able to deal with problems like this. Can it? No one seems to have checked.

In the free market, the initiation of force is prohibited. This includes threat of force and includes fraud. False advertising is fraud. Advertising being a neutral platform, while not being one, is fraud. These companies should be sued. We don’t need new regulations. We need the most basic legal protections that would also exist in a minarchist society (minimal government society, aka nightwatchman state).

These companies don’t follow the rules in their own Terms of Service. That’s fraud. They are telling the public the rules are one way, but acting a different way.

The ongoing fraud has been revealed by many sources including Project Veritas (e.g. Google Document Dump). More sources are below.

Why are companies flagrantly violating the law and no one seems to notice and they aren’t losing all their profits to lawsuits? Because they have special government privileges. They’re being protected from being accountable under the law. They aren’t fully private companies. They hire tons of political staffers and lobbyists. They have friends in high places. They have political pull and receive favors. They aren’t operating in a free market context. Rather than making new laws to control these companies, we need to abolish special privileges granted by the government to a favored elite.

People tell right wingers to make their own competing sites. If you don’t like these companies, beat them in the free market. There are a few problems with this. First, having a larger user base is a huge advantage in social media. People want to be on the sites their friends are on. And why do these companies have such a head start? Because they fraudulently lied about their political neutrality so people didn’t see the need to compete with them earlier on. Second, they are still lying today which reduces the interest in alternative sites. If they openly said they’re biased against Trump voters, more people would recognize the bias and switch to a new competitor. But they still lie to their users. And third, there’s the banking problem.

The worst problem related to deplatforming is not access to social media platforms for sharing ideas. It’s access to the financial system. You can make your own blog or other website to speak your mind (deplatforming by domain registrars, webhosts, etc., has begun but isn’t very bad yet). But what if you’re being prevented from selling your work online? What if your fans can’t donate money to support you? What if you can’t sell merch? How can you compete in the free market if you don’t have the ability to participate in the market online?

The banks and credit card companies are highly government regulated. And they have pressured sites like Patreon and PayPal to deplatform right wingers. And when Gab tried to build a Twitter competitor, they found it very difficult to get any banking partners. Patreon competitors have also had huge difficulties getting banking access to enable their users to send money online to fund content creators. For most types of business, getting banking is easy. Banks and payment processors compete for your business. They want to be widely used. But right wing people online are being treated differently by financial companies which are considerably more government-controlled or government-influenced than Facebook or Google is.

My position is that I wish we had a free market. A free market would solve this problem because there would be serious consequences for fraud. We aren’t even close to a free market. Free market advocates tend to recognize this fact in general. They recognize e.g. that the U.S. healthcare market (including before Obamacare) is not even close to free market, capitalist healthcare. They recognize how involved the government is in the universities. But with deplatforming, the government’s role seems to be widely overlooked.

The main takeaway here is simple but widely ignored. Given the facts about the situation (which most people don’t know much about), Google, YouTube, Twitter and so on are guilty of blatant, massive and ongoing fraud. We don’t need new laws or regulations, we need to enforce the most basic and capitalism-compatible laws.

Deplatforming Info

For those who haven’t been following the public information about deplatforming much, here are some examples:

"Twitter stands for freedom of expression," Dorsey declared. "Twitter stands for speaking truth to power." Dorsey is CEO and co-founder of Twitter. Just from accounts I was following, Twitter deplatformed Heartiste, Real Peer Review and American Renaissance.

"I'm almost a free-speech absolutist." said Prince, the CEO of Cloudflare, an internet infrastructure company that deplatformed the Daily Stormer for political reasons.

Kudos to Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg for defending free speech at a tough moment. There are many articles attacking Zuckerberg for being too favorable to free speech. Meanwhile Facebook deletes, censors and deprioritizes (lowering the traffic they get) right wing groups and ideas.

There is some non-political, largely-unexplained deplatforming too, contrary to publicly claimed policies. E.g. Facebook deleted without warning or explanation the Banting7DayMealPlan user group. The group has 1.65 million users who post testimonials and other information regarding the efficacy of a low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet.

Sam Harris Drops Patreon, Citing 'Political Bias' Likely Inspired by SPLC's 'Hate Group' List

Google "Machine Learning Fairness" Whistleblower Goes Public, says: "burden lifted off of my soul”, from Project Veritas, which I found as the 15th search result on YouTube for project veritas google whistleblower. It’s so low due to search algorithm bias, which ironically is one of the topics of the video.

Twitter banned a psychiatry expert for sharing his professional research conclusions (for political reasons).

Jared Taylor was the first victim of a new YouTube deplatforming campaign.

I Was Fooled By The Promise Of The Internet:

Domain registrars promised that I could “own” my little corner of the web with a domain name, and now my domains can be seized by a faceless bureaucracy. Google told me to create the best content I could to be ranked highly in their search engine, but then they manipulated their algorithms to lift dull corporate propaganda above my own. Twitter promised that I could share any thought that came to mind, and after I spent years doing so, they changed their mind and will now ban me if I make fun of an obese feminist. YouTube said I could upload engaging videos that viewers love, and even make money doing so, but then they demonetized most of my videos, put others in “limited state,” and banned me from live streaming for three months because I asked if women who wear chokers want to be treated subserviently. Disqus offered me a service to allow the community at Return Of Kings to discuss what was on their mind, but they banned the site because they didn’t want us to discuss certain things. Amazon said I could publish books on their platform and even make a living as a writer, but then they banned the paperbook and ebook editions of nine of my books with no explanation why. Paypal said it would be easy to add payment processing to my site, and then later showed how easy it is to ban me for political reasons.

I’ve covered deplatforming in newsletters, e.g. after Charlottesville and re Twitter censoring Canary Mission and Gab and about the banking/financial forces behind deplatforming (sadly and ironically, the Nick Monroe Twitter thread in the newsletter is no longer readable because Twitter deplatformed him. And the Thread Reader App archive of it is hidden by Twitter in the replies behind a warning saying “Show additional replies, including those that may contain offensive content” and then the content is deleted from their site anyway. But it’s still on the wayback machine.).

Some more examples from the open politics discussion on Curiosity (this website):

  • Roosh’s private account banned from Instagram.
  • Heartiste deleted from WordPress.
  • Michelle Malkin post deleted on Facebook.
  • An Objectivist defended deplatforming.
  • David Horowitz restricted on Twitter.
  • Borderless video had delayed processing, then was taken down, on YouTube.
  • Facebook deleted a Paul Joseph Watson post consisting of the single word “honk” because it referenced a right wing political meme.
  • Koch Brothers Team Up With George Soros, Patreon and Airbnb to Fight Online Extremism (fighting online extremism is code for deplatforming).
  • Pinterest whistleblower told Project Veritas about their political bias. Then YouTube deleted the video after it had a million views. One consequence is that the link to the video in my email newsletter archives, which can’t be edited, is now broken.
  • Vdare article with non-classical-liberal tech censorship response.
  • I answer Alan Forrester’s question about what fraud Facebook has committed (part 2).
  • Apple threated to kick Parler (a Twitter competitor) off their app store unless Parler banned some people. Apple also blocks some channels on Telegram.
  • Reddit quarantined the The Donald subreddit and suspended Veritas’ account.
  • YouTube officially fraudulently lied that we apply our policies fairly and without political bias.
  • I commented on fraud and deplatforming on the House of Sunny podcast.
  • Wikipedia has biased editing, e.g. an example related to Jeffrey Epstein.
  • A gaming channel got banned at a million followers on YouTube and had to start over.
  • Links to collections of examples of Google and Facebook censorship.
  • Cloudflare deplatformed 8chan.
  • Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell got suspended from Twitter for sharing a video showing people making violent threats against him
  • Owen Benjamin has been deplatformed by YouTube and others.
  • Games Done Quick speedrun marathon deplatforms people for MAGA hats.

This is just a small sampling of deplatforming info. There’s far more. Post more in the comments below. I’ve posted, as the first comment, a list of deplatforming related links that Justin Mallone gathered earlier this year.


Elliot Temple on November 17, 2019

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Deplatforming Links


Justin Mallone on FI, 2019-03-23 at 5:46 PM on November 17, 2019 | #14355 | reply | quote

Reason.com thinks that only total censorship counts as censorship:

> PragerU, the prolifically popular creator of conservative video content run by radio host Dennis Prager, claims that it is being censored by big tech. The organization took to Twitter to announce that the platform had banned it from running ads.

> Except that's not actually censorship. Far from it: A quick glance at the company's Twitter feed shows that it uses the platform to great advantage, with hundreds of thousands of followers and a bevy of tweets that drive mega-engagement. If PragerU was actually "censored" by Twitter, they would not have a Twitter platform at all.


Anonymous at 6:17 PM on November 17, 2019 | #14356 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 6:18 PM on November 17, 2019 | #14357 | reply | quote

#14357 From the same link:

https://reason.com/2019/07/30/prageru-does-not-understand-censorship/

> But Twitter's advertising policies have nothing to do with the First Amendment, which protects PragerU from government action—not from the decisions of a private company.

It's a good example of what i'm trying to oppose. The examples are readily available. I think most ppl don't wanna click a bunch of links, don't know the facts, and doubt half of what i'm arguing based on factual misconceptions ... without considering like *if* curi has the facts right, would he have a point?

Many libertarians and Objectivists who are siding with deplatforming are my biggest motivation for writing about this. They are on the side of massive fraud (which violates capitalism...), in addition to being on the side of the culture wars trying to destroy civilization (I've seen that second issue, that they're on the wrong side, pointed out plenty, but not the capitalism and fraud issue).


curi at 6:21 PM on November 17, 2019 | #14358 | reply | quote

WSJ: How Google Interferes With Its Search Algorithms and Changes Your Results

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/11/google-search-results-have-more-human-help-than-you-think-report-finds/ :

> Google's increasingly hands-on approach to search results, which has taken a sharp upturn since 2016, "marks a shift from its founding philosophy of 'organizing the world's information' to one that is far more active in deciding how that information should appear"

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-google-interferes-with-its-search-algorithms-and-changes-your-results-11573823753 :

> The company states in a Google blog, “We do not use human curation to collect or arrange the results on a page.” ... But that message often clashes with what happens behind the scenes.

> Over time, Google has increasingly re-engineered and interfered with search results to a far greater degree than the company and its executives have acknowledged, a WSJ investigation has found.

> Despite publicly denying doing so, Google keeps blacklists to remove certain sites or prevent others from surfacing in certain types of results.

> These moves are separate from those that block sites as required by U.S. or foreign law, such as those featuring child abuse or with copyright infringement, and from changes designed to demote spam sites, which attempt to game the system to appear higher in results.

> The [WSJ's] findings undercut one of Google’s core defenses against global regulators worried about how it wields its immense power—that the company doesn’t exert editorial control over what it shows users.

> One of the first hot-button issues surfaced in 2015, according to people familiar with the matter, when some employees complained that a search for “how do vaccines cause autism” delivered misinformation through sites that oppose vaccinations.

> At least one employee defended the result, writing that Google should “let the algorithms decide” what shows up, according to one person familiar with the matter.

> Instead, the people said, Google made a change so that the first result is a site called http://howdovaccinescauseautism.com — which states on its home page in large black letters, “They f—ing don’t.”

> Mr. Brin argued against human intervention, contending that Google should deliver the most accurate results as delivered by the algorithms, and that the algorithms should be tweaked only in the most extreme cases.

> Mr. Page countered that the user experience was getting damaged when users encountered spam rather than useful results, according to people familiar with the matter.

> Mr. Brin still opposed making large-scale efforts to fight spam, because it involved more human intervention. Mr. Brin, whose parents were Jewish émigrés from the former USSR, even personally decided to allow anti-Semitic sites that were in the results for the query “Jew,”...

> Google posted a disclaimer with results for that query saying, “Our search results are generated completely objectively and are independent of the beliefs and preferences of those who work at Google.”

> “Google used to say, ‘We don’t approve of the content, but that’s what it is,’ ” Mr. Wenley Palacios said. “That has changed dramatically.”


Anonymous at 11:03 AM on November 19, 2019 | #14385 | reply | quote

A video on Soph (aka LtCorbis) being banned from YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVoI5Vj11JQ

Guy seems center-left or moderate or something (hard to tell), not a Soph fan, but a free speech fan who has criticism of our tech dystopia.


Anonymous at 3:48 PM on November 19, 2019 | #14388 | reply | quote

Facebook censors PragerU post about top Dems voting for a border fence in 2016

Facebook censored a Nov 18, 2019 post by PragerU about top Dems voting for a wall in 2016 by obscuring it with a "Partly False Information" label and making the reader click a small "See Photo" link in the corner in order to read the post. The post says:

> “Did you know?

> In 2006, Hillary Clinton voted for a fence on the Mexican border.

> So did Barack Obama and Chuck Schumer and 23 other Senate Democrats.

> Now, a border wall is considered racist. 🤔

> Why has the Left shifted so far on the issue of immigration?”


Alisa at 6:16 AM on November 21, 2019 | #14473 | reply | quote

#14473 You say 2016 twice then change to 2006 in the post. I'm guessing the 2016s are both errors?


Anonymous at 12:18 PM on November 21, 2019 | #14480 | reply | quote

#14480 Yes, those are both errors. Thanks.

I don't know how I messed that up.


Alisa at 12:58 PM on November 21, 2019 | #14489 | reply | quote

OGE banned from twitch

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/dzlniu/oge_has_been_banned_from_twitch/

> A whomegalul streamer accused him of being transphobic because he said ”okay dude.”

and

> Nah Flocculency deleted her VOD before proceeding to fabricate willful lies about what OGE said. She knew exactly what she was doing. The reluctant "apology" came after being called out as a proven liar.

> Make no mistake, this isn't an issue of a misunderstanding caused by a language barrier. It's an issue of a malicious, petty, self-loathing human being and her legion of twitch/twitter followers deliberately trying to ruin someone's livelihood over a minor in-game argument.

> She incited her followers to spam tweet at Twitch/Gladiators/other sponsors to cancel OGE based on lies, then tried to play it off as a misunderstanding after numerous people called bullshit. It's like a false sexual harassment claim followed by "haha maybe it was just a misunderstanding XD" after evidence disproves it.

and

> He said "okay, man". Which doesn't change a lot but it's a little detail that you could read differently in a transcript I guess. Don't get me wrong though I'm 100% on OGE's side and am baffled by Twitch's decision.

> Flocculency falsely accused OGE (Pro player for Overwatch League's Gladiators) of being transphobic and trying to raid her stream.

> Logic debunked the entire thing in this thread

> She has since deleted all the evidence from discord, twitter, and Twitch.

> She tried to do the same thing to xQc this year as well


curi at 3:04 PM on November 21, 2019 | #14499 | reply | quote

All advertising is false advertising.


Anonymous at 4:14 PM on November 21, 2019 | #14504 | reply | quote

Democrat presidential candidates Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard are being massively deplatformed by the media, and i'm sure some by tech companies (not following closely).

https://twitter.com/EricQuachSpeaks/status/1197634241787387904

The tweet is wrong to blame this on anti-asian racism but i liked that chart. The cause is their politics. They're challenging the status quo and established powers in some ways. Bernie got treated unfairly in 2016 vs. Hillary btw. Similar thing. The mainstream media helps more mainstream candidates who they like better.


Anonymous at 11:53 AM on November 22, 2019 | #14520 | reply | quote

Andy Ngo (journalist known for negatively covering antifa and hate hoaxes) deplatformed from Twitter:


Anonymous at 3:41 PM on November 25, 2019 | #14578 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 4:16 PM on November 25, 2019 | #14579 | reply | quote

#14579 That article has a super biased paragraph:

> While PayPal has previously severed ties with extremist groups and individuals including the Ku Klux Klan, the Proud Boys and Alex Jones, Jammi theorized that Molyneux managed to evade investigation by calling himself a "philosopher" rather than a white nationalist. "Suspending Stefan Molyneux should have been an open-and-shut case," Jammi told Right Wing Watch.

It's smearing the Proud Boys by mentioning that right after the KKK in a list with the KKK. It's trying to trick readers into thinking the KKK and Proud Boys are similar.

This is extra dishonest because the KKK is part of the left and there have been ongoing attempts by the left to trick ignorant people into associating the KKK with the right.

It's also nasty how they say being a thinker or intellectual is no excuse and they want people like that deplatformed too.


Anonymous at 4:29 PM on November 25, 2019 | #14580 | reply | quote

> This is extra dishonest because the KKK is part of the left

You must be joking, can I get a hit of what you're smoking?

Why are you advocating for coercively making these platforms host racists anyway? If they don't want to that's their right. #liberty


Anonymous at 5:54 PM on November 25, 2019 | #14581 | reply | quote

TikTok Deplatforming

https://mailchi.mp/0c80c63798c7/benedicts-newsletter-no-450977?e=6d10385a84

> TikTok censorship: there was a kerfuffle this week after someone posted a make-up video to Tiktok in which they talked about China's oppression of Uyghurs while doing eye-lashes - the idea was to see if it got past the content moderation, and it did, until it disappeared and the account was disabled. First Tiktok claimed the person had previously posted Jihadi content and been permanently banned (they had posted a photo of Bin Laden but as an obvious joke), but now it's backtracked and said it's just a failure of automated moderation at scale ('if computer sees 'Bin Laden' then block'). Given the screw-up theory of large organisations, this explanation is probably even true, but it doesn't matter - it just brings that much more American attention to the fact that lots of American teenagers are using an app from a Chinese company, and the Chinese government has ultimate control of any Chinese company and can enforce its ideas of what should be allowed. (Of course, this is also the problem that everyone else on earth has faced with American companies' social networks for the last decade or two.) Link


curi at 2:01 AM on December 2, 2019 | #14648 | reply | quote

> TikTok censorship: there was a kerfuffle this week after someone posted a make-up video to Tiktok in which they talked about China's oppression of Uyghurs while doing eye-lashes - the idea was to see if it got past the content moderation, and it did, until it disappeared and the account was disabled.

reminds me of this Lauren Southern vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMpIA4QEVo&app=desktop


Anonymous at 3:47 PM on December 2, 2019 | #14657 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 6:55 PM on February 10, 2020 | #15442 | reply | quote

#15442 Article says:

> Mr. Delzer, the proprietor of a secondhand store in Nashville called Defunct Books, has a different view. “If Amazon executives are so proud of their moral high ground, they should issue memos about which books they are banning instead of keeping sellers and readers in the dark,” he said.

rekt!


Anonymous at 7:00 PM on February 10, 2020 | #15443 | reply | quote

#15443 How does that wreck them? My first guess was that some evil entity once banned books and issued memos about its bans, and Delzer's comment was meant to link Amazon to that entity. But I did a web search for "moral high ground, they should issue memos" and didn't see anything about that.

I also searched Twitter and found that the quote has been quoted twice there, but with no discussion on either tweet.


Alisa at 9:55 PM on February 10, 2020 | #15444 | reply | quote

#15444 It's a self-contained argument. If they are doing something good, which they are rightly proud of, they should be happy to provide details of what they're doing instead of hiding it. Hiding it indicates they think people disapprove and that they're hiding from that debate/judgment because they lack arguments.


Anonymous at 10:50 PM on February 10, 2020 | #15445 | reply | quote

YouTube removes video of Rand Paul speaking on the Senate floor

https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/13/youtube-removes-video-of-rand-paul-naming-alleged-ukraine-whistleblower-on-senate-floor/

> YouTube removed a video clip of Kentucky Republican Sen. Rand Paul reading the question Chief Justice John Roberts suppressed during the Senate impeachment trial naming Eric Ciaramella, a man identified as the whistleblower by Real Clear Investigations.

> “It is a chilling and disturbing day in America when giant web companies such as YouTube decide to censure speech,” Paul told Politico, which first reported the story. “Now, even protected speech, such as that of a senator on the Senate floor, can be blocked from getting to the American people. This is dangerous and politically biased. Nowhere in my speech did I accuse anyone of being a whistleblower, nor do I know the whistleblower’s identity.”


Alisa at 9:30 PM on February 14, 2020 | #15458 | reply | quote

YouTube bans Nick Fuentes, funds Young Turks

https://twitter.com/jamestulp/status/1228427730091466752 (first two inline links added by me):

> In the same week, Google owned YouTube has announced they are funding the left wing Young Turks and deplatforming the right wing @NickJFuentes.


Alisa at 9:36 PM on February 14, 2020 | #15459 | reply | quote

#15458 #15459 Good info. Sad.


curi at 11:30 PM on February 14, 2020 | #15461 | reply | quote

curi at 11:32 PM on February 14, 2020 | #15462 | reply | quote

#15462 Do you disagree with Shapiro because he is falsely insinuating that Fuentes threatened him, or for some other reason?


oh my god it's turpentine at 3:00 AM on February 15, 2020 | #15463 | reply | quote

I disagree that Fuentes is *an absolute disgusting shitshow*, and I particularly disagree with attacking Feuntes like that in the context of him being deplatformed. An evil disaster happened! All civilized people should be worried! But Shapiro enthusiastically social-signals how much he hates the victim while offering only a conditional, no-profanity-or-hate polite disagreement with YouTube.

I have no idea what's going on with the stuff about threats. Have not been following. I didn't read it as having anything to do with Fuentes threatening Shapiro. I assumed threats is YT's baseless excuse and Shapiro is saying if that is indeed baseless then YT is wrong, which is quite mild next to 1) how bad political deplatforming is 2) what he said about Fuentes for, afaik, thought crimes along the lines of being anti-immigration.

I've vaguely heard that Fuentes is anti-semitic. I have no idea if that's true. Even if it is, it doesn't explain Shapiro's treatment of him or the condemnation of his viewpoints in general rather than a particular error.


curi at 2:47 PM on February 15, 2020 | #15466 | reply | quote

Wikipedia and some article say Fuentes was banned from YT for violating their hate speech policies, not for threats, so idk what Shapiro is talking about re threats.

Maybe it's just cuz the YT form letter, besides mentioning hate speech, also mentions inciting or glorifying violence. But it doesn't accuse Fuentes of that, it just lists it as one of the things he might have done. They don't like to be specific about why they ban people. https://twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/1228390570986483713 Maybe Shapiro misunderstood that or wanted to smear Fuentes.

The same sorts of accusations are made against Michelle Malkin and many others who are anti-immigration Trump supporters.

Apparently Ben Shapiro was a significant force in getting Fuentes deplatformed in the first place:

https://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1228484790095155201

Dunno details. I don't really follow Shapiro or Fuentes. I already knew Shapiro was a bastard though.


curi at 2:55 PM on February 15, 2020 | #15467 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/missmissykins/status/1228504672110907392

Apparently Shapiro has been fucking with Fuentes for a while – and being evasive about the actual issues – to the point that Fuentes confronted him IRL.


curi at 2:58 PM on February 15, 2020 | #15468 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1228348314179063809

I've liked some stuff Paul Joseph Watson said in the past.


curi at 2:59 PM on February 15, 2020 | #15469 | reply | quote

#15466 I agree that Shapiro shouldn't be qualifying his condemnation of Fuentes' ban. Also, if Fuentes was actually threatening Shapiro then why wouldn't Shapiro go to the police?

I think Fuentes is actually anti-Semitic cuz of this clip:

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1196604727276064768


oh my god it's turpentine at 12:05 AM on February 16, 2020 | #15471 | reply | quote

#15471 Ugh, awful vid.

The guy who made that tweet thread of Fuentes saying awful stuff is unreasonable but that doesn't matter to evaluating the vids where Fuentes speaks for himself (it didn't look edited and was long enough I don't think it was clipped out of context).

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1196604440238862343

> Fuentes is a Racist:

> Fuentes was at the Charlottesville white supremacy and Nazi march

Going to Charlottesville at all proves you're racist?

This vid is awful too (has a jump cut in the middle but doesn't seem misleading):

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1196604600872251393

Says e.g. blacks being forced to drink out of separate water fountains was no big deal.

---

There's more in that thread, and it sucks, but none of it compares to the Green New Deal, which is far worse. Democrats are more despicable, quite openly, about many things, and don't get marginalized for it, let alone deplatformed. Lots of them are openly racist and anti-semitic too. BDS and other lefty anti-semitism is currently a larger threat to Jews and Israel than the less-popular and less-political-policy-affecting Fuentes-style anti-semitism.

Fuentes is doing this stuff partly to get attention, partly for in-group social signaling, partly to break taboos and stand up to political correctness, partly perhaps because he doesn't know about a better package deal of ideas to select for himself (with requirements like not racist against whites, pro-American, not letting in millions of third worlders to change America, etc.). Fuentes might change a bit if he got more mainstream. Or not. I don't know. With people like AOC, Hillary or Bernie, we can't even give them that maybe.

Just this morning I saw on Twitter that Richard Dawkins basically agrees with "race realist" views on IQ and eugenics. When lefty scientists don't know how to deny it, how is Fuentes supposed to know better?

https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/1228943686953664512

Dawkins:

> It’s one thing to deplore eugenics on ideological, political, moral grounds. It’s quite another to conclude that it wouldn’t work in practice. Of course it would. It works for cows, horses, pigs, dogs & roses. Why on earth wouldn’t it work for humans? Facts ignore ideology.

Wrong and he has no Paths Forward, but the mainstream "scientific" part of our culture doesn't know better. The main opposition to this is the religious view that humans are special, not the BoI view about universal knowledge creators.

If Dawkins is right, of course race and various intellectual traits correlate today.

I saw the Dawkins tweet because it was retweeted by the anti-racist, not-at-all-Nazi or "alt right", smart and broadly reasonable @stucchio


curi at 11:39 AM on February 16, 2020 | #15473 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1196606079209213952

In this one, in last 20 seconds, Fuentes says ethnicity and race are what matter, not ideology and ideas.

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1196606504637521920

This one is pro-Mussolini.


curi at 11:55 AM on February 16, 2020 | #15474 | reply | quote

Facebook/Instagram Deplatforms McInnes, Soph, Milo and more

https://www.thepostmillennial.com/censored-tv-banned-from-instagram-and-facebook/

> Censored.tv, formerly FreeSpeech.tv, founded by Vice co-founder and Proud Boy founder Gavin McInnes, has been banned across all Facebook-owned platforms, namely Facebook and Instagram.

> The platform, which has roughly 15,000 monthly subscribers, is popular for its hosts, who have mostly been banned from popular platforms like Twitter and YouTube—including Gavin McInnes, Milo Yiannopolous, Joe Biggs, Laura Loomer, and Soph.

(Soph was formerly LtCorbis.)

FB/IG censors links to the site in addition to kicking those people (and their associates like a show engineer) off FB/IG. You can't even PM a link to your friend.


curi at 12:00 PM on February 16, 2020 | #15475 | reply | quote

People getting deplatformed from government healthcare in the UK:

https://news.sky.com/story/nhs-staff-can-refuse-to-treat-racist-or-sexist-patients-under-new-rules-11937175

> NHS staff can refuse to treat racist or sexist patients under new rules

> The NHS will soon bar discriminatory patients from non-critical care - powers that currently only cover aggression or violence.

It's not currently about what you said on Twitter. It's if you say something "racist" to the NHS staff while trying to get care, then they can just tell you to leave if you don't have a medical emergency.

This shouldn't affect reasonable people much because you're already polite to your doctor right? But some people are gonna get kicked out over ~nothing or over the doctor being egregiously unreasoanble. There will be bad cases. And some people will be kicked out over acting a little dumb. It's going to disproportionately harm lower/working class people who are less polite in general. And sometimes people will be chatting in a friendly, social way instead of only politely saying relevant info – tons of people do social chit chat with tons of people they meet – and that chatting is sometimes going to involve some politics or something (especially with the massive overreach to politicize most of life) and SJWs are triggered so fucking easily in ways that are hard to predict for non-experts (and sometimes unpredictable to anyone). So bad things will happen.

And this is a slippery slope to much, much worse rules – if "racist" remarks are associated with denial of healthcare, if that becomes standard and legitimate, then it's going to spread to what you say on social media not just what you say IRL (initially maybe just tweets about your doctor, then maybe tweets about the NHS in general, then more).

The government promises to take care of people, it's a nanny/paternalistic state that controls healthcare, but then it's imposing conditions about thoughtcrime. Very nasty, worrying stuff.


curi at 12:18 PM on February 18, 2020 | #15491 | reply | quote

https://www.therebel.media/how_nyc_performer_martina_markota_was_blacklisted_for_being_a_trump_voter

> How NYC performer Martina Markota was blacklisted for being a Trump voter

> She worked for some of the city’s biggest nightlife names, but once she was outed as a Trump supporter, they started a campaign against her to ruin her life and career.

> They wrote countless articles about her online, accusing her of being a Nazi and white supremacist.

>Her agent even said no venue would work with her again due to the pressure.


Anonymous at 12:37 PM on February 18, 2020 | #15496 | reply | quote

https://legalinsurrection.com/2017/09/third-world-quarterly-publishes-the-case-for-colonialism-leading-to-censorship-demands/

> Third World Quarterly publishes “The Case for Colonialism” leading to censorship demands

> Demands for retraction, to fire the journal editors, even to fire author and to revoke his PhD.

> Members of the editorial board have threatened to resign. Some have threatened to boycott the journal entirely (even not to cite it). Cries of racism and ‘white supremacy’ dominating academia have naturally followed.


Anonymous at 12:40 PM on February 18, 2020 | #15497 | reply | quote

https://stratechery.com/2019/a-framework-for-moderation/

> On Sunday night, when Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince announced in a blog post that the company was terminating service for 8chan, the response was nearly universal: Finally.

> It was hard to disagree: it was on 8chan — which was created after complaints that the extremely lightly-moderated anonymous-based forum 4chan was too heavy-handed — that a suspected terrorist gunman posted a rant explaining his actions before killing 20 people in El Paso. This was the third such incident this year: the terrorist gunmen in Christchurch, New Zealand and Poway, California did the same; 8chan celebrated all of them.

> To state the obvious, it is hard to think of a more reprehensible community than 8chan. And, as many were quick to point out, it was hardly the sort of site that Cloudflare wanted to be associated with as they prepared for a reported IPO. Which again raises the question: what took Cloudflare so long?

pro deplatforming article.


Anonymous at 1:46 PM on February 18, 2020 | #15510 | reply | quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi8ipMeFkz0

> David Horowitz Slams Twitter Suspension

3min vid


Anonymous at 2:26 PM on February 18, 2020 | #15517 | reply | quote

#15496 Geez. That was in June, 2017. I did a search for her name and found that Chase Bank shut down Martina Markota’s bank account in early 2019.


Alisa at 6:59 PM on February 18, 2020 | #15520 | reply | quote

#15520 :(((((((((((


curi at 7:02 PM on February 18, 2020 | #15521 | reply | quote

The Radical Youtube Algorithm MYTH The lies about how YT's algorithm spreads white supremacism are part of the excuses for deplatforming.

The DOWNFALL of Youtube talks about YT manipulating what videos are trending. Correlates a lot with being made by corporate media, not views/likes/etc. And they suppress people they don't like such as PewDiePie who is largely prevented from being promoted as trending in the US. (Twitter btw has a similar trending promotional feature which they bias and manipulate.)

Cancel Culture - A Social Plague covers 3 examples of deplatforming

Youtube is Deleting Iconic Videos - Idiotic New Policies discusses YT's censorship policies re so-called harassment and hate speech. YT also says they can ban or censor you even when no specific video or statement violates the rules. Reminds me of people criticizing my tone/style while having zero quotes they object to.


curi at 2:11 PM on February 20, 2020 | #15562 | reply | quote

I knew Reddit had quarantined r/TheRedPill a while ago (maybe a couple years). Just saw that r/MGTOW is quarantined now.


curi at 4:17 PM on February 23, 2020 | #15598 | reply | quote

#15598 The_Donald has ~790k subs and is quarantined


Anonymous at 4:42 PM on February 23, 2020 | #15600 | reply | quote

#15600 Sounds like you may not realize TRP has 1,724,546 subscribers. It's big!


Anonymous at 4:47 PM on February 23, 2020 | #15601 | reply | quote

> #15600 Sounds like you may not realize TRP has 1,724,546 subscribers. It's big!

Indeed I did not realize that


Anonymous at 4:50 PM on February 23, 2020 | #15602 | reply | quote

https://vdare.com/articles/lydia-brimelow-we-got-the-keys-to-the-castle

VDare got some physical space to hold IRL meetings. They mention deplatforming as a reason:

> Having a space where we can meet and share ideas without fear of deplatforming will make a difference so material it is hard to overstate. And for that we will be forever grateful.

Hurrah for private property


Anonymous at 7:18 PM on February 26, 2020 | #15649 | reply | quote

The_donald subreddit had a bunch of their mods removed (for supposedly approving stuff violating the Reddit content policy) and reddit is soliciting new people to sign up as mods for the_donald subreddit.

The_donald subreddit has already been quarantined for some time but apparently Reddit decided that wasn't enough and is escalating. Members of the subreddit see this as an attack by Reddit and some are fleeing to https://thedonald.win/


Anonymous at 6:43 AM on February 27, 2020 | #15654 | reply | quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6rg-4YCnnI

House of Sunny Podcast

> #64 HOW TO DEFEAT TECH CENSORSHIP WITHOUT LOSING OUR FREEDOM


Anonymous at 11:38 AM on February 28, 2020 | #15669 | reply | quote

#15669 I posted a comment on that video:

We can take action against deplatforming using only currently existing laws that would exist in a minimal nightwatchman state too. They commit blatant fraud and false advertising. That's already illegal and should be illegal. They lie constantly to customers about their policies. As Objectivists, we don't have to either put up with it or advocate more regulation and government control; that's a false choice. I wrote about this at https://curi.us/2243-deplatforming-and-fraud


curi at 11:53 AM on February 28, 2020 | #15670 | reply | quote

CPAC 2020: James O'Keefe full speech 16min. Good summary info about Veritas insiders.


curi at 5:15 PM on February 29, 2020 | #15691 | reply | quote

https://www.newsweek.com/why-portland-police-stand-passively-when-leftists-riot-1489799

> Why Portland Police Stand By Passively When Leftists Riot

This deplatforms people from IRL spaces, among other downsides.


Anonymous at 7:20 PM on February 29, 2020 | #15692 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/VictoriaPeckham/status/1233727483272409094

> For those who still think "threats to free speech" is a right wing fantasy: Prof Selina Todd is noted Oxford historian of women & the working class, due to speak today at a celebration of 50 Years of Women's Lib. At 6pm last night she was no-platformed .


Anonymous at 7:21 PM on February 29, 2020 | #15693 | reply | quote

#15445

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/09/technology/amazon-bookstore-nazis.html :

> Mr. Delzer, the proprietor of a secondhand store in Nashville called Defunct Books, has a different view. “If Amazon executives are so proud of their moral high ground, they should issue memos about which books they are banning instead of keeping sellers and readers in the dark,” he said.

Regarding the above quote, anonymous wrote (in #15445):

> It's a self-contained argument. If they are doing something good, which they are rightly proud of, they should be happy to provide details of what they're doing instead of hiding it. Hiding it indicates they think people disapprove and that they're hiding from that debate/judgment because they lack arguments.

I think Amazon is wrong to ban books, but I disagree that the fact that Amazon isn't more transparent about which books they ban constitutes a *self-contained* argument that they're not "proud of their moral high ground".

I expect that Amazon believes, correctly, that publishing a list of the books they ban would draw more attention to those books -- something they don't want to happen.

Consider how a social media site that removes child abuse imagery doesn't describe the individual images that were removed. The reason they don't give details is not because the site owners think people will disapprove of what they did.

Or consider how a blog owner takes down a post that doxes someone. Just because they don't provide much detail about the contents of the removed post doesn't mean they're not proud of the removal.

For the argument about Amazon to be self-contained, it would need to explain how the situation with Amazon is different from the two examples I gave.


Alisa at 7:49 PM on March 8, 2020 | #15812 | reply | quote

> For the argument about Amazon to be self-contained, it would need to explain how the situation with Amazon is different from the two examples I gave.

It'd need that to be self-contained and (more) complete. There is an (incomplete) argument presented there in a self-contained way.


Anonymous at 7:53 PM on March 8, 2020 | #15813 | reply | quote

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/03/08/new-york-post-journalist-censored-on-twitter-for-exposing-champagne-socialist-carlos-maza/

> New York Post journalist Jon Levine was locked out of his Twitter account earlier today and forced to delete several tweets in connection to his article exposing the ultra-wealthy background of socialist YouTuber Carlos Maza.

> Twitter first locked Levine out of his account this morning, but after inquiries from the journalist and his followers, the platform restored access to his account, claiming that the lockout had been an “error” and that his tweets about Maza did not violate the platform’s policies.


Anonymous at 3:56 PM on March 9, 2020 | #15821 | reply | quote

Around 7:30 this guy, who has 414k subscribers, says he's been demonetized for a month straight (all his new vids get demonetized fast):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOHIhshyWE4

I think he's an American who lived in China for over 10 years, was kinda naive but eventually figured out China is awful.

The Chinese government harassed him about making videos ... and now YouTube does too.


Anonymous at 11:31 PM on March 11, 2020 | #15867 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/evdefender/status/1239754391885877248

6000 follower account tweets tons of stats, data, news and criticism re 1) Elon Musk 2) coronavirus

I started following them a week ago. Even little guys are often prevented from growing quite early on if they start getting some attention.


curi at 12:08 PM on March 17, 2020 | #16010 | reply | quote

Right Wingers Banned From Food Delivery During Pandemic

https://t.me/MichelleMalkin/1185

> Uber eats is offering a zero dollar delivery fee during corona virus to people so they don’t have to leave their homes.

> I’m banned on Uber Eats.

> Here is yet another example of big tech deciding who is and isn’t worthy of receiving food during a global pandemic.

> In other words, if you can’t leave your home and you need food delivery, big tech thinks you deserve to starve if they don’t like your political opinions.

> This type of discrimination by big tech companies needs to end. It’s actually criminal to silence and deny people resources and information at this point in time when we are in the middle of a global pandemic and people are being federally ordered to social distance.


curi at 1:47 PM on March 17, 2020 | #16015 | reply | quote

YouTube demonetizes videos on big channels, like thunderf00t and Upper Echelon Gamers, if they mention coronavirus. Sometimes even if they don't mention it. laowhy86 (an American who lived in China for over a decade and does journalism and China-related videos) has had everything demonetized for over two months.

Twitter has a new policy of censoring information that contradicts what the authorities say. So if some retarded CDC spokesman says we don't need to wear masks, you could get suspended or something for saying masks help.


curi at 6:05 PM on March 21, 2020 | #16088 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/PoliticsReid/status/1242822488549199878

Note:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NPR#Funding

> During the 1970s and early 1980s, the majority of NPR funding came from the federal government.

Apparently it doesn't receive much government funding today, but the legacy of government funding still made a big impact on how it's perceived and helped it get big.


curi at 11:46 AM on March 25, 2020 | #16136 | reply | quote

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/03/24/nolte-media-blackout-of-trump-coronavirus-briefings-begins/

> The news media have begun to impose blackouts on President Donald Trump’s coronavirus briefings to the American public. On Monday evening, multiple news outlets cut away from the president’s briefing before he finished.

> Far-left outlets like the Washington Post, NBC News, the Atlantic, CNN, the Boston Globe, etc., want to put an end to broadcasting Trump’s briefings; the idea being to block Americans from hearing directly from their president so these massive media corporations can censor whatever the president says that they do not approve of.

> Just writing the above sounds preposterous, like something outlandish, like something out of a dystopian novel where mega-corporations rule over everything.

> For those of you who doubt this, here is the Washington Post:

> > Radical change is necessary. The cable networks and other news organizations that are taking the president’s briefings as live feeds should stop doing so.

> > Should they cover the news that’s produced in them? Of course. Thoroughly and relentlessly — with context and fact-checking built in to every step and every stage.

> Here is far-left CNN staffer Jake Tapper:

> > If the president is not capable of leading stably and effectually, he should, at least, for his own reputation, for the good of the country, stop making things worse and consider leaving the podium to others.

> And now the blackouts have begun.


curi at 4:16 PM on March 25, 2020 | #16140 | reply | quote

This is the kind of material the Cultural Elites don't want you to see and deplatform:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dsW7oOhU58


curi at 5:31 PM on March 26, 2020 | #16157 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 7:07 PM on March 27, 2020 | #16167 | reply | quote

#16167 Horrifying. Thanks for sharing.


curi at 8:02 PM on March 27, 2020 | #16170 | reply | quote

VDare, which has had tons of deplatforming issues, bought a castle ⚔️🏰🏹so they could have their conferences in peace.

This article talks about some SPLC guy demonizing VDare.

https://vdare.com/articles/the-fulford-file-splc-thug-michael-hayden-demonizes-vdare-com-s-castle-purchase-his-twitter-followers-plot-violence-where-is-fbi

SPLC guy says:

> The castle is also securely embedded on a hill and surrounded by iron gates, making it hard for antiracist demonstrators to access it should VDARE decide to host a conference there. Well-attended counterdemonstrations have had a deleterious impact on the racist right’s ability to organize in public in recent years, making secure locations appealing to white nationalists like those linked to VDARE.

The SPLC's tweet about his article got a bunch of threatening replies. Read the article for details. Just taking one example, somebody tweeted:

> Aluminum powder mixed with iron oxide.

> Or Gallium if you're trying to be sneaky.

VDare says:

> That’s what we must call a really serious threat. The first part (aluminum powder and iron oxide) is the recipe for thermite, as used in arson and sabotage. And gallium reacts with aluminum in peculiar ways.

> I don’t know all the details, but I’m not trained in metallurgy, as “Dedwrekka” is. His Twitter profile reads “Questioning White Bio-male. He/Him/Yall. Veteran. Animation, Woodworking, Metalworking, Sculpting, Makeing".

> It doesn’t take much in the way of internet sleuthing to establish that this guy threatening us with thermite is a college student in North Texas named Aaron, who is studying metalcrafts.

> I don’t want to “doxx” him in the usual sense. But if the FBI or other law enforcement agencies are interested, I’ll forward them the details.

> *And they should be*. This is a “terroristic threat” *across state lines*.

> This is just one more instance of the danger of the SPLC, which as Hayden notes in his article, has been targeting us specifically for almost twenty years.

Some disturbing things going on here:

1. VDare has had to deal with enough problems hosting their peaceful events that they felt they needed to buy a literal castle and rely on medieval physical security technology to protect them from mobs.

2. The mob is being whipped up by activists and issuing very specific threats about what criminal acts they might engage in.

3. The police will probably do nothing to stop this.

The situation is bad :-(


Anonymous at 4:18 AM on March 29, 2020 | #16181 | reply | quote

Twitter seems to have deleted tweets from the President of Brazil related to coronavirus

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1244414690740092940?s=20


Anonymous at 7:13 PM on March 29, 2020 | #16191 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/alx/status/1244815263461183491

> .@IngrahamAngle Tweeted about this story of a man who had Coronavirus that said Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin saved his life.

> Twitter locked her account for it and made her delete it.

> Man who had Coronavirus and says Experimental Drugs saved his life says it’s “Truly Un-American” for people to not want the drugs to work because President Trump mentioned them.


curi at 8:16 PM on March 30, 2020 | #16207 | reply | quote

https://vdare.com/articles/the-sin-of-sullivan-why-donald-trump-tulsi-gabbard-and-i-are-suing-for-libel

> The Sin Of SULLIVAN: Why Donald Trump, Tulsi Gabbard and I Are Suing For Libel

Peter Brimelow of VDARE is suing NYT (separately from Trump and Gabbard's suits). Lengthy article with a million links explains why.

MSM libels are trying to push people out of the town square so they have no voice, and are directly related to the extensive online deplatforming happening to vdare and others.


curi at 12:38 AM on April 5, 2020 | #16262 | reply | quote

Mainstream media double standards: attack conservatives & Christians, defer to progressives and adherents of other religions

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/04/04/steady-devout-mike-pence-leads-coronavirus-fight-past-the-haters/ :

> Since the day [Pence] was picked as VP in 2016, the media has never missed an opportunity to mock him for being an evangelical, born-again Christian.

> You might be thinking, but wait — isn’t making fun of people for their religious beliefs politically incorrect? For the most part, yes. But there is one major exception.

> Religious intolerance is a big no-no in 2020, unless said religion has anything to do with Christianity.

> In which case, mocking isn’t just acceptable — it is encouraged.

> For instance, a few months before the #MeToo movement took center stage, the mainstream media got a real kick out of Mike Pence’s rule that he never dines with a woman alone without his wife present.

> The headlines from the mainstream media displayed complete revulsion for Pence, the archaic sexist weirdo.

> “Mike Pence doesn’t eat alone with women. That speaks volumes” (The Guardian)

> “Vice President Pence’s ‘never dine alone with a woman’ rule isn’t honorable. It’s probably illegal.” (Vox)

> “How Pence’s Dudely Dinners Hurt Women” (The Atlantic)

> But by far the most outrageous of all the questions was this whopper by ABC’s Byron Pitts, who asked the VP, “When you talk to God in your moments alone, do you find yourself worrying at all that people you represent and care deeply about have died and will die who did not need to because of steps the federal government did not take soon enough?”

> Can you imagine a member of the mainstream media ever asking a Democrat such a loaded question? Of course you can’t. It is hard to imagine things that would never happen.

> The only questions Joe Biden ever received as VP were about his bromance with President Barack Obama. And maybe, “When will you do another BuzzFeed video?”

> The double standard is mind-blowing...


Alisa at 11:30 AM on April 5, 2020 | #16277 | reply | quote

The YouTube Channel That Never Happened

Edward Ring, "The YouTube Channel That Never Happened", *American Greatness* (2019-11-16):

> On October 18, 2019, the YouTube channel Red Ice TV was erased. According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, Red Ice TV is a white nationalist hate site, promoting racist views. At the time of “cancelation,” Red Ice TV had 334,000 subscribers and its videos had been viewed nearly 50 million times.

That's a decent number of views.

The article talks about how "leftist activists use “mass flagging campaigns” to take down conservative online platforms":

> “What online activists do is post something on Reddit or a ‘discord server’ which is an encrypted online messaging app,” he said, “these mass flagging campaigns will originate from activists using these forums to say ‘all of you go and flag this channel.’” When the platform administrators receive a high volume of complaints, they suppress or erase the channel.

> There is no similar sort of online attack mob operating on the Right to silence left-wing voices, and these grassroots online flash mobs have become highly effective at shutting down conservatives online. In the case of sites without large fan bases that can raise objections, the power of the mob to erase is near absolute, and nobody knows how many of these smaller sites are gone as a result. In Red Ice’s case, it didn’t matter that thousands of their fans objected.

The article talks about the simultaneous deplatforming of InfoWars by multiple social media sites:

> InfoWars offers an important example. In November 2016 InfoWars attracted 125 million views.... For the first time, the major online platforms coordinated their efforts. Within a few days in early August 2018, InfoWars was expelled from Apple podcasts, Facebook, Spotify, and YouTube. On September 6, Twitter followed suit. On September 8, Apple banned the InfoWars app from its App Store. Jones was virtually erased. He had 2.4 million YouTube subscribers, all gone; 830,000 Twitter followers, purged; his Apple podcast archives were deleted; his Facebook page, with 2.5 million followers, wiped out.

It talks about the deplatforming of Milo Yiannopoulos and Sargon of Akkad as well as a left-winger named Carey Wedler who was been deplatformed:

> Carey Wedler ... has, so far, hung onto her YouTube channel, but was recently banned from Facebook and Twitter. Wedler is a *left*-leaning critic of the mainstream media and an outspoken opponent of America’s so-called endless wars.

There's a lot more. The whole article is over 7,000 words.


Alisa at 9:22 PM on April 6, 2020 | #16296 | reply | quote

#16296 +1


curi at 7:42 PM on April 9, 2020 | #16333 | reply | quote

Cernovich's HOAXED documentary banned from Amazon's streaming platform

Jack Dalton, "Tech Totalitarians Ban Mike Cernovich's HOAXED From Amazon, Erasing It From Purchasers Accounts", *VDARE* (2020-04-10):

> Amazon has banned [the] documentary Hoaxed ... from being streamed on their platform... First they came for Jared Taylor, committing digital bookburning by removing *If We Do Nothing* and *White Identity* from their Kindle store, now Amazon is resorting to an even crazier form of censorship by removing a digital product people already purchased from their accounts!

According to The Gateway Pundit:

> People who had purchased the film also reported to Cernovich that it is now gone from their accounts.


Alisa at 11:00 PM on April 10, 2020 | #16349 | reply | quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgVbMLoIGV4

at 12:20 he talks about how YouTube sometimes doesn't send out notifications to subscribers and also unsubscribes people from his channel.

I noticed the other day that I don't get lots of the email notifications for Asmongold's YouTube.


curi at 1:18 PM on April 18, 2020 | #16387 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/SohrabAhmari/status/1251320048616079360

> This is jaw-dropping stuff: Our article was censored [by Facebook] based on the recommendation of a scientist who . . . collaborates with the Wuhan virology lab.

> Another “expert” who recommended our article be censored by Facebook did so based on her *belief* that “any responsible government” would prevent leaks from virology labs. Oh, good, thanks.


curi at 5:43 PM on April 18, 2020 | #16390 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/SharylAttkisson/status/1250561752066142209

> You cannot make it up.

> The "fact checker" Facebook is using to censor a documentary discussing possibility that corinavirus came from Wuhan lab... is scientist who worked at Wuhan lab with Chinese communists.

>Honestly, folks.


curi at 5:43 PM on April 18, 2020 | #16391 | reply | quote

YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that disagrees with WHO recommendations

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-52388586 :

> YouTube has banned any coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts World Health Organization (WHO) advice.

> The Google-owned service says it will remove anything it deems "medically unsubstantiated".

> Chief executive Susan Wojcicki said the media giant wanted to stamp out "misinformation on the platform".

> The move follows YouTube banning conspiracy theories falsely linking Covid-19 to 5G networks.

> Mrs Wojcicki made the remarks on Wednesday during her first interview since the global coronavirus lockdown began.

> "So people saying, ‘Take vitamin C, take turmeric, we’ll cure you,’ those are the examples of things that would be a violation of our policy,” she told CNN.

> “Anything that would go against World Health Organization recommendations would be a violation of our policy.”


Alisa at 1:32 PM on April 24, 2020 | #16433 | reply | quote

YouTube Censors Viral Video of CA Doctors Criticizing ‘Stay-at-Home’ Order

Paul Joseph Watson, "YouTube Censors Viral Video of Doctors Criticizing ‘Stay-at-Home’ Order", *Summit News* (2020-04-28):

> YouTube has censored a viral video in which two doctors criticized the logic of whether California’s stay-at-home coronavirus order is necessary.

> The video, which had racked up over 5 million views, featured Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi, co-owners of Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield, Calif.

Daniel Horowitz (@RMConservative) commented on Twitter about the censorship:

> Is it just me or did @YouTube take down Dr. Erickson's viral video with 5 million views?


Alisa at 9:07 PM on April 28, 2020 | #16462 | reply | quote

Meme artist Carpe Donktum has 14 Twitter memes removed after a wave of DMCA takedown notices

Tom Parker, "Meme artist Carpe Donktum has 14 Twitter memes removed after a wave of DMCA takedown notices", *Reclaim the Net* (2020-04-27):

> [O]ne of the most popular and prolific meme-makers on [Twitter], Carpe Donktum, has had 14 of his memes taken down after they were hit with a flurry of [DMCA] notices.

Some of the memes that were taken down are still available on YouTube, including this one:

> Donald Trumper and The Art of the Wand (a pro-Trump Harry Potter themed meme which had millions of views on Twitter according to Carpe Donktum)

It gets worse:

> After taking down Carpe Donktum’s memes, Twitter then hid his Periscope video explaining the situation behind a “sensitive material” warning notice.

> President Trump’s viral Biden-Obama Twitter meme was taken down a few days ago after a copyright claim from Warner Chappell Music.


Alisa at 9:16 PM on April 28, 2020 | #16463 | reply | quote

YouTube introduces fact checker info panels to editorialize user search results

Cindy Harper, "YouTube introduces fact checker info panels to editorialize user search results", *Reclaim the Net* (2020-04-28):

> YouTube is continuing its war on “misinformation” by rolling out info panels containing messages from fact-checkers to search results on the platform.

> Fact-checkers who are already in the program include PolitiFact, FactCheck.org, and The Washington Post’s fact-checker.

> Any fact-checker who is part of the International Fact-Checking Network (IFCN) is allowed to participate in the new information panels, the organization that Google recently committed to donating $1 million to.


Alisa at 9:18 PM on April 28, 2020 | #16464 | reply | quote

Educating Liberals (@education4libs) banned from Twitter

On April 27, 2020, EducatingLiberals [wrote on Gab] (https://gab.com/EducatingLiberals/posts/104070858192829936):

> And just like that, my Twitter account I’ve been working on every day for over 3 years is now gone. And they wouldn’t even give me a reason.

According to the screenshot in his post, the account (@education4libs) had over half a million followers. Here's a snapshot of his Twitter profile from before he was banned: http://archive.is/PmpSG


Alisa at 7:37 PM on April 29, 2020 | #16466 | reply | quote

#16462 Are you aware the censored video is really stupid, bad info?

It still shouldn't be censored. Just wanna check you aren't accepting the info in it.


curi at 7:58 PM on April 29, 2020 | #16467 | reply | quote

#16466 Is he surprised? I know better than to try to grow on a platform like that and expect to keep my account.

It's an awful situation but why is he so naive that he works on it every day without a backup plan(?) and expects Twitter to give him a reason?


curi at 8:33 PM on April 29, 2020 | #16469 | reply | quote

#16467:

> Are you aware the censored video is really stupid, bad info?

No. I haven't watched it.

#16466:

> Is he surprised?

I don't know. He's been on Gab since November 2017, and he has ~12k followers there, so maybe that's part of his backup plan.


Alisa at 10:53 PM on April 30, 2020 | #16470 | reply | quote

ADL advocating for increased censorship on Steam

The ADL's new report “This is Not a Game: How Steam Harbors Extremists” advocates for increased censorship on Valve's *Steam* gaming platform. *Reclaim the Net* summarized the report as follows:

> Valve and Steam are urged to undergo “a significant change of focus and culture (…) and of their approach to platform governance both in terms of policy and practice.”

> “These would be the same steps mainstream social media platforms, such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube, have been implementing and refining for at least a decade, adapted to the specific nature of the Steam platform,” ADL spells it out.


Alisa at 4:38 AM on May 3, 2020 | #16478 | reply | quote

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/05/06/twitter-will-now-warn-you-if-you-are-about-to-post-wrongthink/

article excerpt:

> “To let you rethink a reply, we’re running a limited experiment on iOS with a prompt that gives you the option to revise your reply before it’s published if it uses language that could be harmful.”

> It’s a bit like “precrime” in the 2002 Tom Cruise film Minority Report. Twitter will notice when you’re about to use a bad word, giving you the chance to avoid a rule violation and save your account from the digital gulag.

> “We’re trying to encourage people to rethink their behavior and rethink their language before posting because they often are in the heat of the moment and they might say something they regret,” said Sunita Saligram, Twitter’s global head of site policy for trust and safety, in a comment to Reuters.


Anonymous at 11:41 AM on May 6, 2020 | #16487 | reply | quote

#16487 disturbing

if you didn't already know: don't try to build a following on twitter. don't write content there which isn't mirrored elsewhere. don't invest in the platform.

i do read twitter and i retweet some. i think the platform works ok to get info if you are really picky about who you follow.

i mostly only read twitter via this public list:

https://twitter.com/i/lists/1157142697246748672

i retweet some of it, so you could get a more selective feed by only reading my tweets.

i may stop retweeting at some point, idk.


curi at 11:50 AM on May 6, 2020 | #16488 | reply | quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPrbGU0Wyh4

> Tucker: Big Tech censors dissent over coronavirus lockdowns


curi at 11:31 AM on May 10, 2020 | #16505 | reply | quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qyfPd3QD6k

> The PATHETIC State of Youtube Advertising

Biased demonetizing and biased control over who is paid how much via youtube ads.

Meanwhile youtube is fine with lots of porn stuff and letting people advertise their videos on other people's channels.


curi at 12:23 PM on May 10, 2020 | #16508 | reply | quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFssiP6lS2k

End of video talks about all the ways YouTube is deplatforming them and whether they might leave the platform.


curi at 4:32 PM on May 13, 2020 | #16525 | reply | quote

Facebook censorship:

> US: We removed 19 Pages, 15 Facebook accounts, and 1 Group that originated in the US and focused domestically. Our investigation linked this network to VDARE, a website known for posting anti-immigration content, and individuals associated with a similar website The Unz Review. We found this activity as part of our internal investigations into suspected coordinated inauthentic behavior ahead of the 2020 election in the US.

https://about.fb.com/news/2020/05/april-cib-report/


Anonymous at 8:51 AM on May 16, 2020 | #16542 | reply | quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILvhUVNJHxk

> The Intellectual Wasteland of Twitch Policy

wow, twitch moderators (from the company itself) are so biased that Alinity – a girl accused of having friends at twitch to get special treatment – has publicly complained that she should have been banned for some things but wasn’t, and self-banned for 3 days after an incident when twitch did nothing.

twitch's new policy team thing includes a trans person who is publicly opposed to voice chat in games and says that most gamers are white supremecists. they hire people who are hostile to gamers.


curi at 1:42 PM on May 17, 2020 | #16548 | reply | quote

Twitter deletes tweet with Michelle Malkin video clip after it is RT'd by Trump

https://vdare.com/posts/twitter-deleted-michelle-malkin-clip-after-it-was-retweeted-by-donald-trump-as-doj-moves-to-investigate-silicon-valley-for-antitrust

On May 16, 2020, Trump RT'd a tweet by @af_clips containing a video clip of Michelle Malkin speaking at the Western Conservative Summit 2019, adding:

> The Radical Left is in total command & control of Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and Google. The Administration is working to remedy this illegal situation. Stay tuned, and send names & events. Thank you Michelle!

Twitter subsequently deleted the @af_clips tweet. Embedded in Trump's tweet is now the text: "This Tweet is unavailable."

Malkin tweeted about the censorship:

> Thank you @realdonaldtrump - @Twitter has DELETED the video clip you RT'ed of my remarks against Silicon Valley censorship this morning! OUT OF CONTROL. The situation must be remedied ASAP. [...]


Alisa at 10:30 PM on May 17, 2020 | #16549 | reply | quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXughXH7YTc

Some info about how bad YouTube's copyright-based deplatforming system is. 5min video. utterly ridiculous. summary: gusiness world records asked for a copy of a mario speedrun video, put it on their channel, then started going after the runner for copyright infringement for his original video that he sent them a copy of. *and* for many other videos by him and other runners that also contain mario footage.


curi at 10:38 AM on May 25, 2020 | #16573 | reply | quote

after reading this tweet: https://twitter.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1265077232176775168 i sent "五毛 CCP BAD" in the comment section of a youtube video, it then got deleted ~30 seconds after i posted it and refreshed the page. pictures of this in FI discord offtopic channel.


internetrules at 6:51 PM on May 25, 2020 | #16574 | reply | quote

In #15443, Anonymous wrote:

>> Mr. Delzer, the proprietor of a secondhand store in Nashville called Defunct Books, has a different view. “If Amazon executives are so proud of their moral high ground, they should issue memos about which books they are banning instead of keeping sellers and readers in the dark,” he said.

> rekt!

In #15443, I asked:

> How does that wreck them?

In #15445, Anonymous wrote:

> It's a self-contained argument.

In #15812, I replied:

> ... I disagree that the fact that Amazon isn't more transparent about which books they ban constitutes a *self-contained* argument that they're not "proud of their moral high ground"...

> For the argument about Amazon to be self-contained, it would need to explain how the situation with Amazon is different from the two examples I gave.

In #15813, Anonymous wrote back:

> It'd need that to be self-contained and (more) complete. There is an (incomplete) argument presented there in a self-contained way.

In #15445, Anonymous said the argument was *self-contained*. Now, in #15813, Anonymous says that the argument is incomplete but says that it was *presented in a self-contained way*.

I stand by my statement in #15812 that the argument itself is **not** self-contained.

In #15445, after stating that the argument was self-contained, Anonymous continued:

> If they are doing something good, which they are rightly proud of, they should be happy to provide details of what they're doing instead of hiding it. Hiding it indicates they think people disapprove and that they're hiding from that debate/judgment because they lack arguments.

Standard background knowledge includes counterexamples to this argument. For example, armies conduct secret missions of which they are proud but of which they don't publicize the details. Not dealing with this and other well-known counterexamples is an essential incompleteness in the original argument.

I looked up "self-contained" in 5 dictionaries (see below). 4 of the 5 definitions included being *complete*. The other definition, from Webster's 1913, includes *having all the essential working parts*.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/self-contained :

> 1a: complete in itself : INDEPENDENT

> a *self-contained* machine

> a *self-contained* program of study

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/self-contained :

> You can describe someone or something as self-contained when they are complete and separate and do not need help or resources from outside.

https://ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=self-contained :

> 1. Constituting a complete and independent unit in and of itself: A self-contained dictionary defines every word contained within it.

> 2.

>   a. Not dependent on others; self-sufficient: a self-contained settlement in the Arctic.

>   b. Keeping to oneself; reserved.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/self-contained :

> Not requiring external or additional support; complete in itself.

http://www.websters1913.com/words/Self-contained :

> 2. (Mach.) Having all the essential working parts connected by a bedplate or framework, or contained in a case, etc., so that mutual relations of the parts do not depend upon fastening outside of the machine itself.

> Self-contained steam engine. (a) A steam engine having both bearings for the crank shaft attached to the frame of the engine. (b) A steam engine and boiler combined and fastened together; a portable steam engine.


Alisa at 7:14 PM on May 25, 2020 | #16575 | reply | quote

correction

#16575

> In #15443, I asked:

I asked in #15444, not #15443.


Alisa at 7:16 PM on May 25, 2020 | #16576 | reply | quote

#16575 What's your goal here?


Anonymous at 8:17 PM on May 25, 2020 | #16577 | reply | quote

Postmortem: incorrect comment number

#16576

I got the comment number for a quote wrong. One thing I could do to help prevent this kind of error from happening again is to add a check for it in my post checker. It could download the comment I referenced (e.g., curi.us/comments/show/15443), and make sure that it includes the text I quoted and that it was sent by the author I named.


Alisa at 6:09 PM on May 26, 2020 | #16581 | reply | quote

I got an Amazon deplatforming notice. Zero information about which of my posts they object to or why, but nevertheless a threat to ban me if I ever do the unspecified thing again or anything else that they arbitrarily assert violated an unspecified rule. What an awful process. That's even worse than companies like Blizzard (has several categories of WoW bans, so you get a small amount of info about a reason instead of none) and Twitter (which, from what I've seen, tells you which tweet you're in trouble for).

Full text of Amazon's notice:

https://curi.us/2313-dennis-hackethal-plagiarist#16608


curi at 10:49 AM on June 4, 2020 | #16610 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/BethanyAllenEbr/status/1268611608672194560

WeChat accounts are permabanned for writing anti-CCP text in their *passwords*.


curi at 4:29 PM on June 4, 2020 | #16612 | reply | quote

YouTube Deletes Comments That Insult China youtube vid from china uncensored


curi at 12:49 AM on June 8, 2020 | #16640 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1270398334990028801

This is what they do to a celebrity with 2.4 million followers.


curi at 11:59 AM on June 9, 2020 | #16648 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/communism_kills/status/1270050817089900546?s=21

Conservative tweets "My Medium account was just suspended because of the list I’ve been creating of companies support Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and the rioters."


Anonymous at 10:54 PM on June 9, 2020 | #16656 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/communism_kills/status/1270052038378958848?s=21

> Here was their rational. Medium claimed my list of companies supporting Antifa and Black Lives Matter violated their rules against on-platform, off-platform, and cross-platform targeting, harassment, and hate speech.


Anonymous at 10:55 PM on June 9, 2020 | #16657 | reply | quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuTyrN2Jet4

> Youtube - A brutally unSAFE SPACE


curi at 1:19 PM on June 11, 2020 | #16667 | reply | quote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S8IRaECo94

> Skai Jackson Needs to be SHUT DOWN

She's gaining Twitter popularity by encouraging her followers to harass and dox people who do or say something unPC.

She'll attack 12 year olds and post info like where they live and what school they go to. She's getting college applicants rejected to try to ruin their lives.

Most of the info is sent to her by followers and she does nothing to check if it's true.

Some of the info she posts is or could easily be out of context. E.g. she posted a 1 second video of someone saying a word. Another video was 3 seconds. You don't even get the full sentence for context. It could be talking about what someone else said or many other things; who knows.


curi at 1:21 PM on June 16, 2020 | #16709 | reply | quote

A lawyer has had his license to practice law suspended because he referred to George Floyd as a shitstain

https://www.fitsnews.com/2020/06/14/south-carolina-supreme-court-suspends-attorney-who-called-george-floyd-a-shtstain/


Anonymous at 5:33 PM on June 16, 2020 | #16710 | reply | quote

Google has banned ZeroHedge from Google's ad platform and gave The Federalist a warning for its comments section

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/google-bans-two-websites-its-ad-platform-over-protest-articles-n1231176


Anonymous at 5:35 PM on June 16, 2020 | #16711 | reply | quote

A black man wrote a reddit post about his criticisms of Black Lives Matter. Reddit admins deleted it multiple times and he got a load of nasty comments:

https://www.reddit.com/r/kotakuinaction2/comments/havu5k/black_redditor_makes_a_thoughtful_post_about_why/


oh my god it's turpentine at 11:59 PM on June 17, 2020 | #16716 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/1273322797650120704

The result:

https://www2.gmu.edu/news/586546

> **A message from George Mason University leadership**

> We have learned that George Mason University Professor, Robin Hanson, posted a tweet that is highly objectionable.

> As leaders of George Mason University, we express our profound reaction of repugnance about this posting. The posting by Professor Hanson is offensive. It does not represent the views of our university and is inconsistent with our values. His words are hurtful.

> The tweet is under review.


curi at 4:17 PM on June 18, 2020 | #16724 | reply | quote

#16724 Confused? This commentary thread may help:

https://twitter.com/sonyasupposedly/status/1273654797074198530

> fried chicken and watermelon can't be both precious cultural heritage worth uplifting and an unutterable taboo you ignoramuses

@GeorgeMasonU

Apparently you just aren't allowed to mention fried chicken, or any(?) race-associated food, sometimes (other times it's fine).


curi at 4:25 PM on June 18, 2020 | #16725 | reply | quote

#16725 Apparently Hanson tweeted this before the above tweets, but has now deleted it:

Less confusing, slightly. But still uhhh...


curi at 4:33 PM on June 18, 2020 | #16726 | reply | quote

VDare is getting deplatformed by its *domain name registrar* and is advising people to install TOR browser just in case

https://vdare.com/posts/breaking-network-solutions-driving-vdare-com-to-the-dark-web


Anonymous at 7:52 PM on June 18, 2020 | #16727 | reply | quote

Tucker: Officer Garrett Rolfe's step-mother has been let go from her job

Tucker Carlson, *Tucker Carlson Tonight* (2020-06-18):

> Well, a final point tonight, a kind of coda which really tells you everything about what's happening to our country right now, how it has gone with amazing quickness from one of the most tolerant places of goodwill on the planet to something very different very very fast. So we've been telling you this story of the [Atlanta] police officer charged [with felony murder in the shooting death of Rayshard Brooks], officer [Garrett] Rolfe. Until today, his stepmother, her name is Melissa Rolfe, was the HR director at a place called equity prime mortgage in Atlanta, GA. But today, she was let go. She's no longer in that role. Apparently, she was fired, and her only crime was being officer Rolfe's stepmother. According to a source familiar with the matter who spoke to this program, Rolfe was promised that her job was safe, but today she was told, and we're quoting, "We have to terminate our relationship with you." No other explanation was offered, and honestly, no other explanation was needed: it was obvious what happened. Rolfe has already been scrubbed from the company's web site. Wiped away, as the Bolsheviks did with those who lost favor with Josef Stalin. That will keep happening until lawmakers decide to resist the mob and protect ordinary people from its predations. This is where the country is going. It's becoming a place where you can be punished for the supposed misdeeds of your relatives. You don't want to be that country. All of us should put on the brakes immediately.


Anonymous at 7:53 PM on June 18, 2020 | #16728 | reply | quote

#16728 Tucker continued after a commercial break:

> We just told you a moment ago that the step-mother of officer Rolfe — the Atlanta cop who's facing the death penalty for the shooting of Rayshard Brooks — was just fired from her job today at a place called Equity Prime Mortgage in the Atlanta area. We told you she was fired with no explanation, obviously, because they disapproved of who her step-son. And in America, we don't do things like that, because it's immoral.

> We just got a statement sent to us from Equity Prime Mortgage. They're blaming Rolfe's step-mother, alluding to social media comments. They don't specify what those are, and they added a long boilerplate comment about how they support diversity. The bottom line is it seems pretty clear they fired this woman because of who her step-son was. And just to re-state the obvious: that shouldn't happen in this country, because it's wrong, and people should say it's wrong or [it'll] continue to keep happening.


Anonymous at 7:59 PM on June 18, 2020 | #16729 | reply | quote

#16727 I've read some of their stuff. VDARE is so fucking bland to be receiving this treatment.

I don't mean to call them bland. They are OK. Just bland for this reaction. They aren't saying "Heil Hitler" or ranting about jews or saying blacks are inferior or anything remotely like that.

I read a little bit of Daily Stormer after they got deplatformed. They stood out, e.g. they were quite openly anti-semitic. VDARE reads like it could be mainstream in a slightly better world.


curi at 8:04 PM on June 18, 2020 | #16730 | reply | quote

#16730 Meanwhile in big reactions over hardly anything, there is the attack on Robin Hanson yesterday for saying fried chicken and watermelon: http://curi.us/2243-deplatforming-and-fraud#16724


curi at 8:06 PM on June 18, 2020 | #16731 | reply | quote

Free-speech domain registrars

#16727 That happened to Gab back in 2018. It's hyperbolic of VDARE to suggest that this would relegate their site to the dark web. All VDARE has to do is to switch their domain to a registar with a record of standing up for free speech. For example: Gab's registrar is Epik, 8chan's is Eranet, and the Daily Stormer uses Tucows. VDARE could have switched domain registrars after they saw what happened to Gab, but for some reason they decided to wait.


Anonymous at 8:39 PM on June 18, 2020 | #16734 | reply | quote

#16728

Tucker:

> > Well, a final point tonight, a kind of coda which really tells you everything about what's happening to our country right now, how it has gone with amazing quickness from one of the most tolerant places of goodwill on the planet to something very different very very fast.

I disagree. Stuff like BLM (and the cultural context to enable it, e.g. the corruption of the universities) has been in process since at the very least 2004 and more broadly since at least the 60s.

False urgency and recency type stuff is really common in news and politics to generate hype, surprise, urgency, etc.


curi at 8:42 PM on June 18, 2020 | #16735 | reply | quote

A woman get swarmed on social media for saying she doesn't support BLM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRuQ2S003ns


oh my god it's turpentine at 12:05 PM on June 19, 2020 | #16738 | reply | quote

Gab "blacklisted" by Visa

On 2020-06-19, Gab posted:

> Gab has been blacklisted by Visa for “promoting hate speech.” [...] We still accept payments via echeck, check by mail, and bitcoin.

So Gab currently cannot take payments by credit card. That's got to be tough.


Alisa at 2:53 PM on June 19, 2020 | #16740 | reply | quote

#16741 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-53111295 :

> Ms Hopkins, who had more than one million followers, was previously suspended in January for a week.

> But Twitter said her latest ban is permanent.

> The social network did not, however, say which tweets Ms Hopkins had posted, to result in the ban.

> "Keeping Twitter safe is a top priority for us - abuse and hateful conduct have no place on our service and we will continue to take action when our rules are broken," it said.

Fuck Twitter.


Alisa at 2:57 PM on June 19, 2020 | #16742 | reply | quote

https://reclaimthenet.org/apple-parler-censor-offensive-content/

The CEO of Parler, a social media platform that claims to value free speech, said Apple was threatening Parler with being unable to update its app unless they banned offensive content.


oh my god it's turpentine at 3:55 AM on June 21, 2020 | #16759 | reply | quote

The NYT has gotten a blog cancelled, at least for now, by threatening to dox it.

https://slatestarcodex.com/2020/06/22/nyt-is-threatening-my-safety-by-revealing-my-real-name-so-i-am-deleting-the-blog/

> NYT Is Threatening My Safety By Revealing My Real Name, So I Am Deleting The Blog


curi at 2:01 AM on June 23, 2020 | #16766 | reply | quote

New project Veritas video of investigative journalism on Facebook content moderators who delete pro-Trump stuff and how biased FB's moderation is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7o4A16QCxE


curi at 1:33 PM on June 23, 2020 | #16768 | reply | quote

A pro-Trump meme creator has been permanently banned from Twitter

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-meme-artist-carpe-donktum-permanently-banned-from-twitter


oh my god it's turpentine at 1:00 AM on June 24, 2020 | #16771 | reply | quote

new veritas vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O8p4zK8ywY

> Another Facebook Insider Details Political Censorship; Current HR Exec 'No One Has White Man’s Back'


curi at 12:38 PM on June 25, 2020 | #16781 | reply | quote

Excerpt From Gab's Newsletter

> We were told this week that not only is Gab blacklisted by Visa as a business, but my personal name, phone number, address, and more are all also blacklisted by Visa. If I wanted to leave Gab tomorrow (something that isn’t going to happen) and start a lemonade stand I wouldn’t be able to obtain merchant processing for it.

> Simply because my name is Andrew Torba.

> If my wife wants to start a business she won’t be able to obtain merchant processing because she lives at the same address as me and would be flagged by Visa.

> This is obviously very concerning. We have done nothing wrong. Gab is and always has been a legally operated business. We sell hats, shirts, and a software subscription service that unlocks new features on Gab. My personal credit score is in the 800’s. I pay my bills. I have a wife and daughter to provide for, yet we are all being punished and defamed because someone at Visa has it out for me.

> We were told that Visa has someone camping on our website watching our payment processing. As soon as we get a new processor up they find out who it is on their end and contact them. They tell the processor that Gab is flagged for “illegal activity” and if they do not stop processing payments for us they will be heavily fined.

> When the processor inquires about this alleged “illegal activity,” Visa tells them that Gab has been flagged for “hate speech.” “Hate speech,” is of course not illegal in the United States of America and is protected by the First Amendment. As I have written, it’s not real and I refuse to acknowledge it as term. Visa doesn’t agree with me.


Anonymous at 3:24 PM on June 26, 2020 | #16788 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/i/events/1276679244442034176

I haven't watched him stream but I learned about him a few months ago by watching this video about him. The channel has a bunch of little documentary type things about different streamers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9e_85TuaBA


curi at 8:25 PM on June 26, 2020 | #16789 | reply | quote

#16789 oh wow, related to the banning:

> "In March, Dr Disrespect signed a multiyear exclusive deal to remain with Twitch that reportedly would entitle him to millions of dollars per year." – ESPN


curi at 8:25 PM on June 26, 2020 | #16790 | reply | quote

#16788 Not as bad as Visa's ban of Andrew Torba, but in 2019, Laura Loomer was banned from PayPal.


Anonymous at 9:51 PM on June 26, 2020 | #16791 | reply | quote

#16730 In Then the Registrars Came for VDare – But I was Already Banned (June 23, 2020), Andrew Anglin of The Daily Stormer wrote:

> The only competent person on the right is Tucker Carlson. He is literally The Last Man.

> Tucker was the only person who defended my rights when I was shut down. [Infowars'] Alex Jones and [VDARE's] Peter Brimelow were taking the high road, acting like I was a unique case, but Tucker went on Fox News – three separate times – and pointed out that the banning of me was a historic turning point in the suppression of speech in America.


Anonymous at 12:43 AM on June 27, 2020 | #16792 | reply | quote

Andrew Anglin: CNN Now Trying to Get Everyone Banned from Telegram

In CNN Now Trying to Get Everyone Banned from Telegram (June 26, 2020), Andrew Anglin writes:

> The messaging app Telegram is one of the few places right-wingers are still allowed to communicate with each other, so with the election coming up, the media is moving to bully the app into banning any supporters of Donald Trump.

> Of course, they don’t ever say, “we want to shut them down,” they say, “people are concerned…” but the people that are concerned are them; no one else is thinking about it. It’s very transparent, especially when you go through and look at the way they incited a mob against me, against Alex Jones, against anyone else they got banned for supporting Donald Trump.

> The mere fact that they refer to all white people as “white supremacists” shows what they’re trying to do. But it isn’t really newsworthy that a few thousand people who disagree with CNN are posting messages to each other on a phone app. This is not “in the public interest.” The only reason they would report on it at all is to try to bully the company, smear them as “enablers of white supremacist terrorism” for allowing Trump supporters to send messages to each other.


Anonymous at 12:52 AM on June 27, 2020 | #16794 | reply | quote

The EU is talking about the great firewall of china like it's a good thing and saying how they want to create something similar for themselves to censor the internet.

not joking. this is official stuff.

https://twitter.com/AlecStapp/status/1276604449616564224


curi at 12:41 PM on June 27, 2020 | #16797 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/michellemalkin/status/1276889689421537280?s=20

Twitter treats mentioning truth about George Floyd's criminal past as glorifying violence

The tweeter was already in trouble for this tweet

https://twitter.com/JadenPMcNeil/status/1276255988732039168?s=20


Anonymous at 7:49 PM on June 27, 2020 | #16798 | reply | quote

Gainesville, GA Fire Dept. Employee Suspended After His WIFE Asked On Facebook If Hispanic Floyd Rioters Were Illegals

(06/25/2020):

> In Gainesville, Georgia, a fire department employee was suspended for a week because his *wife* made a post on Facebook about the local George Floyd rioters.


Anonymous at 10:34 PM on June 27, 2020 | #16799 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 10:25 AM on June 29, 2020 | #16804 | reply | quote

Gab newsletter on reddit purge

> Reddit has purged some of the most popular communities on the site today after a recent announcement that they will be cracking down on "hate speech." Over 2,000 communities were purged including the pro-Trump community r/The_Donald and the popular left-wing community r/ChapoTrapHouse.

> Last year Reddit took a $150m investment from the Communist Chinese, so these bans and the pivot away from freedom should not be a surprise to anyone. Reddit is not only purging thousands of communities from the site, but they are also banning users who "upvote" content which breaks their new "hate speech" rules. Meaning even if you don't post the content yourself, Reddit will ban you if you engage with it.

> “I have to admit that I’ve struggled with balancing my values as an American, and around free speech and free expression, with my values and the company’s values around common human decency,” Reddit CEO Steve Huffman said.

> Perhaps all that communist Chinese money made his decision a little easier.

> At Gab we saw this purge and wave of censorship coming years ago. Which is why we have been building the market-leading free speech social network that now has millions of users from around the world. We welcome everyone who is getting banned from Reddit--both on the left and the right ideologically-- to join Gab.

> Gab has a groups feature which is similar to Reddit's subreddit functionality. Users have already set up a The_Donald group on Gab with 14,000 members. Get on Gab, and speak freely.


Anonymous at 12:01 PM on June 29, 2020 | #16805 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/Logicalmeme/status/1277701416862322691?s=20

Stefan Molyneux, American Renaissance, others banned from YouTube, Twitch suspended Trump's channel

Re twitch:

https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/29/21307145/twitch-donald-trump-ban-campaign-account

> Twitch has temporarily banned President Donald Trump, in the latest surprise and high-profile suspension from the streaming service. Trump’s account was banned for “hateful conduct” that was aired on stream, and Twitch says the offending content has now been removed.

> One of the streams in question was a rebroadcast of Trump’s infamous kickoff rally, where he said that Mexico was sending rapists to the United States. Twitch also flagged racist comments at Trump’s recent rally in Tulsa.


Anonymous at 2:29 PM on June 29, 2020 | #16807 | reply | quote

the new reddit hate policy "does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate."

https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/account-and-community-restrictions/promoting-hate-based-identity-or

so it appears that you can "incite violence or [] promote hate based on identity or vulnerability" if you are targeting white people and be okay under this rule (at least if the targeted white people are in the majority).


Anonymous at 3:21 PM on June 29, 2020 | #16808 | reply | quote

Parler

In https://vdare.com/posts/youtube-bans-american-renaissance , Jared Taylor writes:

> Also, I have just joined Parler, and I invite you to follow me here.

I'm skeptical that Taylor will be allowed to communicate on Parler for long. The fact that Parler is available in Apple's App Store indicates that Parler is censored.

Tangentially, the second sentence on Parler's home page is:

> Our content is moderated based off the FCC and the Supreme court of the United States which enables free expression without violence and a lack of censorship.

That's a poorly-written sentence. It speaks poorly of Parler that they feature it so prominently.


Anonymous at 9:23 PM on June 29, 2020 | #16809 | reply | quote

Massive social media ban wave yesterday across many companies. E.g. Stefan Molyneux was banned on YouTube and Reddit banned 2000 subreddits including TheDonald. A few days earlier, DrDisrespect was banned by Twitch. He's one of the biggest streamers and had a contract with Twitch for over a million dollars. He says Twitch didn't tell him why he was banned and Twitch and journalists/insiders aren't saying either.

Watch: The Social Media Ban Tidal Wave - Control Itself Spirals Out of Control


curi at 12:17 PM on June 30, 2020 | #16814 | reply | quote

https://vdare.com/articles/ann-coulter-antifa-are-a-laugh-riot-until-they-come-for-you

> Over and over again, conservatives made excuses for doing nothing. They told themselves:

> *It’s only Milo—he’s shocking, not the kind of nuanced conservative thinker I am.*

> *It’s only Gavin McInnes and his “Proud Boys”—he’s funny, whereas I am aggressively humorless, so I’m safe.*

> *It’s only Heather Mac Donald and Charles Murray—they write about crime rates and I.Q. I steer well clear of any topic that might trigger liberals!*

> And thus were the most interesting and popular personalities on the right scrubbed from the public square by violent, low-I.Q. criminals. How tiny is the circle of speech and behavior you’ve permitted yourselves, conservatives?


Anonymous at 5:28 PM on July 3, 2020 | #16841 | reply | quote

Anonymous at 7:14 PM on July 4, 2020 | #16847 | reply | quote

Stefan Molyneux was first kicked off paypal, then YouTube, now Twitter


Anonymous at 7:31 PM on July 7, 2020 | #16853 | reply | quote

https://twitter.com/jessesingal/status/1280603481531912192

Yglesias signing onto a Trump-bashing letter that got the approval of people like *Noam Chomsky* somehow made this lady feel "less safe"

The letter: https://harpers.org/a-letter-on-justice-and-open-debate/


Anonymous at 7:41 PM on July 7, 2020 | #16854 | reply | quote

https://news.gab.com/2020/07/08/then-they-came-for-stefan-molyneux/

> As I write this the slack-jawed leftists on Twitter are cheering and rejoicing over Stefan’s bans. This boring and predictable cackling is not what I want you to pay attention to though.

> Instead, I want you to center your focus on the total silence from the Conservative Inc frauds who boast about how much they love free speech and hate big tech censorship. You won’t find them defending Stefan. You won’t find them speaking out against his bans. You won’t find them saying anything at all. Make no mistake: they know who he is, they know he has been banned, and they are secretly doing their own bit of celebrating about it too.


Anonymous at 9:27 AM on July 8, 2020 | #16860 | reply | quote

Top Tucker Carlson writer resigns after being doxxed by CNN. He'd worked for Tucker for 4 years.

He was a xoxo (autoadmit) poster, which is an anti-political-correctness free speech forum.

CNN found out what name the writer anonymously posted under and outted him. Real name is private personal info, which CNN shared with the world.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/media/tucker-carlson-writer-blake-neff/index.html

Will Tucker's content quality now drop?

The writer posted as CharlesXII on xoxo, and I enjoyed his lengthy review of the awful but very popular book Ready Player One at http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4248817&mc=515&forum_id=2

In response (same day the story broke – today – I think), the xoxo forum has randomized poster names on posts over a year old to help protect against doxing in the future. (Random names are regenerated if you refresh the page, but all posts from a user in one thread get the same random name, so you can still follow conversations.)

http://xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4581003&mc=41&forum_id=2

This is a great move because the archives were about to be searched by a bunch of hateful leftist would-be doxxers sent by mob-leader CNN. Sadly it's too late to prevent CNN from finding a bunch of archived material to smear CharlesXII with.

The forum owner, Rach, also says that no identify information is saved on the server (e.g. signup email or poster IP address) http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4581141&mc=8&forum_id=2 and http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3739278&forum_id=2#34263552


Anonymous at 5:18 PM on July 10, 2020 | #16869 | reply | quote

#16869 So Blake Neff, one of Tucker's lead writers, had to resign. In contrast, despite having posted numerous anti-white tweets under her real name, Sarah Jeong kept her job on the NYT editorial board.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45052534 :

> Ms Jeong wrote in one tweet from July 2014: "Oh man it's kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men."

> "Are white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically being only fit to live underground like groveling goblins," she said in December 2014.

> [Jeong] also used the hashtag "#CancelWhitePeople" and complained about "white people marking up the internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants".


Anonymous at 7:48 PM on July 10, 2020 | #16871 | reply | quote

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4581836&mc=3&forum_id=2

Now you understand gamergate

For years, I tried to explain it here. But it was impossible to explain because people got mixed up in the details. They didn't understand that gamergate was just an unfair, politically motivated attack by disingenuous left-wing actors who claimed to be "journalists".

If you were an outsider to XO today, and you had to understand the drama surrounding a weird, fringe website that billed itself as the most prestigious law discussion in the world, but was populated with racists, nude bodybuilders, self-deported Korean PUAs, guys who name themselves with semicolons and claim to be hung studs, dinosaur experts, white genocide promoters, and whatever the fuck Lisa Rowe is, you wouldn't understand.

But you get it now. The feeling you have right now is the same feeling that the gaming community had when they were under attack by a malicious press, and came together to fight back.

I hate that XO has to go through this experience. But at least now you guys get it.


Anonymous at 1:08 AM on July 11, 2020 | #16872 | reply | quote

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4581708&mc=2&forum_id=2

the danger of CNN's shoddy journalism

this thread is mostly for lurkers and journos because anyone who uses this site already knows these things.

i read the article on charles earlier and there are a few quick things that other people probably already mentioned that i feel are important to note. these things aren't just relevant to charles but to everyone on this website.

1.) shared accounts

i'm not the only one who knows the password to my account. i know the passwords of others' accounts (and they know i do). i don't think that's uncommon on here.

2.) edits and blank bumps

anyone can edit any of his or her posts (not the title, but the body of the OP and all reply posts) at any time. someone could post, "justice for george floyd" in a thread, accumulate 15 blank bumps (or "upvotes" as cnn calls them, lol), and then change their post to "george floyd deserved it." the blank bumps would still be there and cnn would consider those "upvotes"/endorsements of the edited post.

3.) post history wiping

it's possible to run a script to erase all your past post history on this website (everything but thread titles, i think). when someone runs that script, all of his or her posts become blank bumps. if someone poasts something like "ugh i hate all women and jews and non-whites" and you disagree with that post in the replies, then later scrub your post history, cnn will think you're blank bumping/"upvoting"/endorsing that poast.

not to mention that cnn's "exposé" on charles included unsavory post titles he had merely replied to:

"When not making his own bigoted comments, [charles] has shown a willingness to respond to others who were, without expressing any hesitation, much less disgust, about what they've said. For instance, in 2016 he replied to a thread with the title, "Mary Poppins getting raped by a pack of wild ni***rs at the park; kids watching." That same year, he commented on a thread titled, "DIKES get wrong CUM at CUMBANK. N****R pops out." Just last month, [charles] replied to a comment on the thread that said, "And the n**s are always honor students or some bullshit." (The language on both posts was not censored on the forum.)"

how is that worthy of publishing? publishing that is irresponsible and misleading journalism, imo. there are threads with titles like that all the time containing replies from people insulting the OP or arguing against the post-- those who did also "replied" to the posts just like charles.

that's all. i don't agree with all charles said or poasted but what happened to him really sucks and i hope he's okay. this is better than christmas for tucker's rivals on other channels


Anonymous at 1:09 AM on July 11, 2020 | #16873 | reply | quote

#16873 a response poast:

I know that you're poasting this in good faith, and you mean well, but you have to understand that none of this matters to these people.

They don't care about accuracy in reporting, or the truth, or anything else. They just need their hate object of the moment, and will lie, slander, dox, and do anything else they can do to get their sacrificial lamb.

This is like telling a Mayan priest that actually you don't need to sacrifice a human to make the sun come up. The truth doesn't matter. The act of ritual slaughter is the only thing that matters.


Anonymous at 1:10 AM on July 11, 2020 | #16874 | reply | quote

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4581737&mc=17&forum_id=2

it was incredibly cruel for CNN to tell AZN megashrew abt the thread

Can you imagine what it would be like to get an email with the nonsense string of characters "xoxohth," click a link, and learn that dozens of people have been following you for five years, compiling 900+ posts worth of brutal analysis about everything that's wrong with you? It would be like the Truman Show. It would be like being a gangstalking victim.

CNN caused that to happen to a completely innocent person. The anonymous wackos on this site had the common decency for FIVE FUCKING YEARS not to do that, but CNN did it and did it gleefully. It's all the worse that AZN Megashrew almost certainly already suffers from some sort of actual mental illness.


Anonymous at 1:13 AM on July 11, 2020 | #16875 | reply | quote

http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2665487&mc=27&forum_id=2

okay. let's say i run an exploitative manure business. i hire guys to shovel shit for me into sacks and barrels, and then we sell them to feed stores. i'm a really abusive manager; i do drugs on the job, i whip people, i shoot my guys with paintballs, and i don't even pay very well.

you are a traditional leftist agitator. you hear these abuse stories from my employees, and it makes you really mad. "that manager is a real dick!" you exclaim. you focus on my behavior, and on the worker/management chasm, and your view of rights and obligations is framed in economic terms.

but you see, i am a bit ahead of the game. i know that leftist agitators are coming after me. so i transfer nominal control of my business to a board of directors, and i make sure that the new CEO is female. even better if she's a mexican immigrant or something. the shit-shovelers at my business are primarily white men.

as a leftist agitator from the old-school, this would not have bothered you. queen victoria was just as much of a capitalist bitch as anyone else, right? you had no sympathy for the coiffured matrons of the ruling classes, whether here or in latin america or wherever else. why the fuck would you? that would be SILLY relative to the plight of the workers.

but then modernity descends, and your fellow leftists begin to rephrase the whole game in terms of gender and race. my immigrant chick CEO is now a "minority" rather than a slavedriver. her story is one of "glass ceilings" rather than workers shoveling shit for her.

you can try and go against this narrative, and go on TV with her downtrodden employees complaining about their conditions, but you are ignored. and when you aren't ignored, you are attacked. why are you trying to drag down HER, of all people? are you mad that a MINORITY WOMAN is running the show? those whiny shit-heaver MEN should just have to GET OVER THEMSELVES and DEAL with it! grrrl power la raza squared!

even if you think these people are insane, you are still a man of the left who is not getting any sort of support from conservatives for your labor agitation. so you have little choice but to placate your purported allies.

so you back off. and then people like you also back off. and the old modes of leftism gradually wither, because your ability to critique power is now circumscribed by the "identities" of those IN power.


Anonymous at 1:17 AM on July 11, 2020 | #16876 | reply | quote

#16876 That is a repost from 2014!


Anonymous at 1:18 AM on July 11, 2020 | #16877 | reply | quote

Thanks, anon(s), for posting the CharlesXII autoadmit messages here.


Alisa at 2:06 PM on July 11, 2020 | #16878 | reply | quote

Thunderf00t's latest video is being deplatformed. Here's his second video about the matter after his edited reupload was also taken down.

His video that's being blocked uses science to debunk some anti-mask concerns/lies/myths.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1H2wetuvrME


curi at 2:27 PM on July 11, 2020 | #16879 | reply | quote

https://apple.news/AEvimbx53Sii1HNWm1BJtNg

> Fox News "Condemns" Racist, Sexist Comments by Former Tucker Carlson Writer

> Tucker Carlson is expected to address the resignation of the writer from his show on Monday night.

...

> The internal memo sent out by FOX News Media CEO Suzanne Scott and FOX News Media president and executive editor Jay Wallace and obtained by The Hollywood Reporter reads: "Yesterday we learned that now former employee Blake Neff, a writer on Tucker Carlson Tonight, made horrendous and deeply offensive racist, sexist and homophobic comments under a pseudonym on the forum AutoAdmit."

> "We want to make abundantly clear that FOX News Media strongly condemns this horrific racist, misogynistic and homophobic behavior. Neff’s abhorrent conduct on this forum was never divulged to the show or the network until Friday, at which point we swiftly accepted his resignation. Make no mistake, actions such as his cannot and will not be tolerated at any time in any part of our work force. Tucker will be addressing this on his show on Monday night," the memo stated.


Anonymous at 2:28 PM on July 11, 2020 | #16880 | reply | quote

https://upolitics.com/news/fox-news-ceo-suzanne-scott-orders-producers-to-rein-in-host-commentators/

> Fox News CEO Suzanne Scott Orders Producers To Rein In Hosts & Commentators

from mid 2018


Anonymous at 2:33 PM on July 11, 2020 | #16881 | reply | quote

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-resignation-idUSKBN24334J

> SEATTLE (Reuters) - Boeing Co’s (BA.N) communications chief Niel Golightly abruptly resigned on Thursday, following an employee’s complaint over an article the former U.S. military pilot wrote 33 years ago arguing women should not serve in combat.

Fuck cancel culture.


Anonymous at 12:59 PM on July 12, 2020 | #16883 | reply | quote

Blog post on Tucker Carlson writer being cancelled (my italics):

https://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=20878

> This is the sort of stuff Tucker spends every night railing against. He has made his name condemning things like cancel culture. For him to *obsequiously go along with his key writer being cancelled makes him a hypocrite and a liar.* It means that in the end, his friends and neighbors in the ruling class come before the principles he claims to be fighting to advance. More important, he’s asking you to do what he lacks the testicular fortitude to do in his own domain.

TC is going to speak to the issue tomorrow on his show. The blog post is assuming it'll be cowardly because TC hasn't said anything yet. I think that's unfair/premature – wait for TC to speak and see what he says! The story broke Friday and TC didn't have a response ready a few hours later, which is fine, and then waiting through the weekend to respond on his show on Monday seems OK too. I can understand him wanting to respond on his show instead of putting out a statement. So I don't think TC has (publicly) done something clearly wrong yet. We'll get some clarity tomorrow and I'm not optimistic about what TC will do.


curi at 1:15 PM on July 12, 2020 | #16884 | reply | quote

An environmentalist disagrees with the standard story on climate change and Facebook warns the reader that it is an evil article full of lies:

https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2020/7/7/i-have-been-censored-by-facebook-for-telling-the-truth-about-climate-change-and-extinctions


oh my god it's turpentine at 2:44 PM on July 12, 2020 | #16885 | reply | quote

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