To have a productive discussion, you need a goal. What outcomes would qualify as success? If you don't know what you're aiming for, achieving success is unrealistic.
And you ought to have some idea of the other person's goals so you can aim for mutual success.
Part of having a goal is recognizing what outcomes would not be success. You have to specify what would be a failure and risk having a failure happen that you acutally recognize/acknowledge/admit.
And part of achieving goals is having some idea about how to achieve them – a plan.